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    Poll finds most back status quo - Richmond Times Dispatch

    http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/n...uo-ar-1700089/


    I've said before, trying to repeal the one-gun-a-month law was going to be nothing but pad p.r.

    Meanwhile most gun owners are disarmed everyday while they drive to and from work.

    Makes no sense to me.
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    Fundamental rights trump majority rule

    Quote Originally Posted by T Dubya View Post
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    I've said before, trying to repeal the one-gun-a-month law was going to be nothing but pad p.r.

    Meanwhile most gun owners are disarmed everyday while they drive to and from work.

    Makes no sense to me.
    West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
    The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections.

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    Repeater, you're going to have to break it down Barney-style for me. I don't understand your post.
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    One-gun-a-month is an infringement. Public opinion has no place on the scales of justice when a fundamental right is on the other side of the scale.

    One-gun-a-month should never have been a law. The easy fix to "bad PR" is to represent the move for what it is--correcting an error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    One-gun-a-month is an infringement. Public opinion has no place on the scales of justice when a fundamental right is on the other side of the scale.

    One-gun-a-month should never have been a law. The easy fix to "bad PR" is to represent the move for what it is--correcting an error.
    I understand now. Repealing one-gun-a-month should not have been a priority just like conceal carry in restaurants should not have been a priority. We overplayed our hand and stuff that should have been passed first has fallen by the wayside. Now we're on the defensive, having to explain over and over again. Meanwhile gun owners names and addresses are being leaked including those that may not want their identity known and gun owners will have to continue to travel to and from work disarmed.


    Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, It costs to have principles and not play politics. After all we're dealing with politicians not men of principles.
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    Virginians are so opposed to these changes they voted overwhelmingly for people that embody these changes last fall. Polls are easily manipulated, how a question is phrased, who you ask, what time of day you ask, what area of the commonwealth is polled. So unless Virginians are calling their representatives in droves saying "what's going on here!" I don't buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MamabearCali View Post
    Virginians are so opposed to these changes they voted overwhelmingly for people that embody these changes last fall. Polls are easily manipulated, how a question is phrased, who you ask, what time of day you ask, what area of the commonwealth is polled. So unless Virginians are calling their representatives in droves saying "what's going on here!" I don't buy it.
    You're point is valid. Heck, they probably use landlines.

    I look at it like this. A lot of voters are uninformed. They can easily be led by a news article or a facebook post. The abortion thing compounds the problem. Just by reading the article you can see how they have lumped us in there with them. As much as some may or may not like that issue, as gun rights advocates we need to stay the heck away from it. It's just like I said, we overplayed our hand and if one-gun-a-month is repealed hooray, but as Virginians our liberty is still being oppressed and what should be a fundamental right to privacy is a gaping hole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T Dubya View Post
    You're point is valid. Heck, they probably use landlines.

    I look at it like this. A lot of voters are uninformed.
    Pollsters, like Quentin Kidd, can be uninformed, too. It's hard to take seriously a pollster who can't even spell "disapprove" correctly.

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    Polls, Poles, Pol's.....

    The only poll thios year that counts will be taken on November 6, 2012.

    Hopefully, America will be the winner this time.

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