Gil223
Regular Member
It's about time the left-wing, commie, bring-down-the-government ACLU did something in support of our Constitution... even though it's against the ACLU's avowed purposes. Pax...
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ACLU on our side?
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Stanley
Regular Member
Lol. Commie ACLU lol...
You realize no other organization has done even a quarter of the work the ACLU has fighting for civil rights.
You think the NRA is going to help you when your civil liberties are trampled???
Bahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
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You realize no other organization has done even a quarter of the work the ACLU has fighting for civil rights.
You think the NRA is going to help you when your civil liberties are trampled???
Bahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
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Herr Heckler Koch
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+1
Read Timothy Ferris' The Science of Liberty: Democracy, Reason, and the Laws of Nature, on the confusion of right/left liberal/conservative and progressive/reactionary.
Gil223
Regular Member
The ACLU's founder, Roger Baldwin, stated: "We are for SOCIALISM, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself... We seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the SOLE CONTROL of those who produce wealth. COMMUNISM is the goal." Granted, the ACLU's actions have encouraged many Americans to closely consider the rights granted them by the Constitution, but their organizational "goal" hasn't changed a bit. (Inasmuch as we are now creating reading lists, read "ROGER BALDWIN: FOUNDER, AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION 1884-1981" by Robert C. Cottrell, Professor of History and American Studies at California State University, Chico. It's a shame that so many sheeple have lost the ability to think for themselves, and must therefore rely upon the written thoughts of others to shape their opinions.) I do see how the OP's post relates to OC, so I will cease participation in the political aspect of this discussion. Pax...
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wrightme
Regular Member
The NRA isn't a civil rights org, the ACLU is.
Gotta love the collectivist identity politic bigotry. Sure didn't take long. As expected.
They both are. The NRA, like Naral or FIRE etc. concentrates on one particular civil right (which in the case of the NRA is also correlated with one amendment)
The ACLU does not.
Hopefully this won't devolve into a definitional wank on what civil rights org means.
ACLU, to their discredit, have a craptastic record on the 2nd. Iow,they have taken positions contra the RKBA .
The NRA, GENERALLY SPEAKING, does not take on other issues.
The NRA voting guide, for instance, only uses gunfight votes as a metric
wrightme
Regular Member
It isn't bigotry to point out how you choose to conduct yourself among others.
When you present yourself as you are, it is only accurate to point that out. If you did not present yourself as such, it would be inaccurate to make that statement about you.
So, for the 'as expected,' that is only accurate, if the moniker is fitting in your case. If you do not deserve that moniker, then look to the behavior you have practiced in your discussions here.
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wrightme
Regular Member
No. That is incorrect. The NRA concentrates upon one Constitutionally protected Right.
The ACLU focuses upon the civil Rights of citizens.PALO said:
If you do not fully understand what civil rights org means, we can assist you. But the time is better spent determining the status of the 2A. Historically, it has not been considered in the class of 'civil right.'PALO said:
Correct.PALO said:
Since the NRA is focused upon the 2nd Amendment, it is within their purview. Other subjects aren't.PALO said:
You can both be right on this one.
LEGALLY, the NRA is not a civil rights organization because the 2A has been purposely ignored as a "civil right."
However, it is, and we know it.
The NRA identifies itself as the country's oldest civil rights organization. They are not wrong in practice, even though the courts have not YET recognized the right to bear arms as a "civil right."
Gil223
Regular Member
Personally, I see a "civil right" as one granted by some "authority", and I see 2A as simply the affirmation of a birthright! :shocker: Pax...
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papa bear
Regular Member
i would like to point out that the ACLU is not a civil rights organization, per say that it doesn't protect all civil rights. it is very selective about whom it will represent. just to say it must be in the interest of liberal/progressive views of the world.
having not taking the time to do research and give you a better example. i will use the first one that comes to mind is how the ACLU looks at the OWS and the TEA party. i saw glaring attacks and civil(bureaucratically) road blocks put up to the tea party, in which most of the TEA party simple complied. also, we never heard a word from the ACLU in support of the TEA parties.
but the ACLU not only endorsed the OWS, it also ran a campaign to raise money and support for them. i have called them on this lopsided position, but have not gotten any response
there are quite a few of these instances, but i have not documented them
having not taking the time to do research and give you a better example. i will use the first one that comes to mind is how the ACLU looks at the OWS and the TEA party. i saw glaring attacks and civil(bureaucratically) road blocks put up to the tea party, in which most of the TEA party simple complied. also, we never heard a word from the ACLU in support of the TEA parties.
but the ACLU not only endorsed the OWS, it also ran a campaign to raise money and support for them. i have called them on this lopsided position, but have not gotten any response
there are quite a few of these instances, but i have not documented them
Gil223
Regular Member
If it were left up to the ACLU, our RTKBA would be granted by some left-wing "authority". Which, in practical terms, means it would be stricken from the Bill of Rights. Pax...
Gil223
Regular Member
+1 Pax...