Thread: need help
So i have questions about having no cpl in Washington. Do i unload before I get in the car or when I'm I
the car? And do i load in or out the car? When in the car can I have it in my holster.
best not to give Opinions instead of correct law..
9.41.050 tells us that a loaded gun can not be in a car unless you have a CPL...
the empty gun can stay in the holster, but you can not load untill you get out of the car,
and you must unload before you get in the car.
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It's a good idea to not have a round chambered if you have to do this, since most holsters will allow you to drop the mag without having to remove the firearm. Much less likely to "warrant alarm" that way.
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I understand that. But what's better? Taking a few seconds to load and step out or stepping out un holstering and loading in in front of people. Then you get the cops called for brandishing. Same goes for unloading. Open the door get in and immediately unload. Don't see the big deal there.
Last edited by SigGuy23; 02-22-2012 at 06:35 PM.
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol
Do not have a loaded pistol in a vehicle without a valid CPL.
there is no crime defined as "brandishing" in the WA RCW's
closest you will get is http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.270 which is the one that gets discussed/argued a bit around here.
Link to the WA RCW's in general
Link to most firearm related RCW's
Get out and load unload and get in unless you have a valid WA CPL
No settled case law on a .270 violation, but there was a Yakima? incident which was dismissed as citizen was following the RCW's as above. BigDave or anyone else, do you remember the incident? Fellow outside a bank loading after getting out of his truck?
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OR.......drop $55.25 and 15 minutes of your time to get a cpl....then mr. Pistola can stay in his home no matter where you go! )
if I didn't have a CPL, I would load/unload OUTSIDE of the car. given the research hubby (Vitaeus) has shown me. As it stands, he and I both shelled out the dough to get the CPL's so that we DON'T have to mess with loading/unloading, is it partly concealed, avoiding school, all of that hassles. We both generally OC, but this gives us the option to CC if we wish, and helps to minimize the risk of negligent discharge that can occur with excessive holstering/unholstering of a loaded firearm.
i think reasonable officers would agree.
what BETTER option is there? unload outside the car ? how you would do this without creating a visual "distraction" that could rise to a level of 9.41.270 is the issue. ESPECIALLY on an urban street. personally, i don't think people should load or unload unless they have a loading barrel or a safe backstop. granted, i am an instructor and i'm pretty strict on safety.
this kind of thing is the perfect reason why it's a good idea to have a CPL even if you only plan on OCing.
if i had to unload in the car, i would keep my hands in the trunk AND have my hands hidden from view underneath a towel or something as i unloaded the gun. if you can't unload by feel, you probably shouldn't be handling the thing in the first place.
the towel trick is one i use on longterm surveillances when i gotta pee. mainly because i don't want some ******* kid with a cell phone camera getting me on video in an unmarked, peeing into a cup.
Serpa allows most semi-autos to be loaded and unloaded while still holstered.
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and people should not be racking slides, etc. with their guns out of their holsters to load/unload in an urban area. it would CERTAINLY get me at least a reprimand if not a suspension if i did it.
and again, as an instructor, **** like that makes my teeth itch
Last edited by PALO; 02-23-2012 at 04:46 AM.
What about a revolver?
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but again, with firearms, it's clearly more of an issue to be racking slides and stuff than merely opening the cylinder of a revolver. i realize it's user error, but a fair # of unintentional discharges with semi-autos happen during loading/unloading/slide manipulation. and largely from teevee, etc. but people associate the racking of a slide with an offensive act. we've all seen it in movies and teevee.
it's hard to discretely outside the car, and doing it discretely could even make it look more suspicious, like something a criminal would do before entering a store to rob it or something
i just think it's bad form and not a good idea.
Before the state allowed me to enter my vehicle safely (pre CPL) I interpreted the RCW to force me to load/unload outside the vehicle. Is this setting someone up for failure (ND)? I think so. That said, you must deal with the law as it is. You can be discreet when U/R your weapon. No need to upset people.
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I also have a holster cut so I can depress the mag release without handling the pistol. I guess, in keeping with my personal restriction (on myself) never to clear the holster unless you intend to pull the trigger (or clean it at home), I would have to carry it without one in the pipe.
I have my CPL so I don't have to worry about it, but I read the law to say you cannot enter the vehicle with it loaded. Your CPL is so easy to obtain here, there is no reason not to get one, and teh load/unload hassel goes away, as does the wait for a new pistol when you want to purchase one.
Just like when you are hunting, you have to clear the rifle (or shotgun) before placing it is the car., you have to do the same with a pistol if you don't have a CPL.
I'm out shooting with some friends, and I decide to get in some extra practice with my carry gun, is it improper to carry that same gun in a holster and draw the gun from it(At the place of shooting e.g a "Shooting pit")? Or what if I'm at a Pistol range?
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Some people will tell you to carry without a round chambered and only rack one when you are going to an "iffy" place. How do you know where the "iffy" places are? Crime happens in the "good" places too. Why would you intentionally go to the "iffy" places anyway? Whats the point in carrying if you have load your weapon before you can use it?
I hear all the time that a BG can close the distance of 21 feet in 1.5 seconds. Can you get your gun out of its holster, rack it, and accurately put lead into a target in less than 1.5 seconds? I'm prolly gonna get dogged on for saying this but, i'm willing to bet that most people that do carry can't do that even if they carry with one in the pipe, and i'll bet money that most of them haven't even tried.
It's a good idea to not have a round chambered .....
Did you even read the thread? Since you clipped Tom's quote and thus rendered it bad......Tom is specifically referring to the OP's question of car carry in Washington. Where the OP (w/o a CPL) would need to carry unloaded (including the chamber) and be able to drop the magazine while the firearm is still in the holster, thus NOT handling the firearm in view of the public. The advice also follows 1245A Defender's attribution of 9.41.270 and thus avoiding running afoul of the law. Jim, your advice is fine with someone who holds a CPL and does not have to deal with this issue.
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Unloaded is unloaded with or with out a CPL.