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    WSP KIA during traffic stop

    http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-wspt...,4226706.story

    “Shortly after he [the trooper] made that traffic stop, one of the Kitsap County Sheriff’s office deputies responded to the location to check on him as he wasn’t answering his status on his police radio,” Kitsap County Sheriff’s Office spokesperson Ken Dickinson said.

    The first deputy responded to the scene in just four minutes and found the trooper shot. He was rushed to St Joseph’s Hospital where he was pronounced dead.
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    What the hell is going on in Kitsap county lately? That is only a mile from my home. So now we have a cop killer, a serial killer, and a kid shooting another kid?

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    Thoughts and prayers for the family of the fallen officer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowsport20 View Post
    and a kid shooting another kid?
    Kid did not shoot the other child. The weapon was in his backpack when it discharged. They are calling it an accident now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    Kid did not shoot the other child. The weapon was in his backpack when it discharged. They are calling it an accident now.
    Did the gun jump into his backpack? I understand he didn't mean to shoot that girl but I think he and his parents should be in some serious trouble.

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    WSP shooting suspect found dead in house several miles away, from gun shot wound. all they would say so far
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    Quote Originally Posted by waterfowl woody View Post
    WSP shooting suspect found dead in house several miles away, from gun shot wound. all they would say so far
    That is not accurate from what I have read. He was found alive and is being transferred to local area hospital.
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    The man suspected of fatally shooting a 44-year-old State Patrol trooper this morning has been found dead.A Kitsap County sheriff's SWAT team went to the home of the registered owner of a pickup connected with the trooper's slaying, according to a sheriff's department spokesman. As they approached, the officers heard a single gunshot.They went inside the home and found the man with a single gunshot wound, the spokesman said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    The man suspected of fatally shooting a 44-year-old State Patrol trooper this morning has been found dead.A Kitsap County sheriff's SWAT team went to the home of the registered owner of a pickup connected with the trooper's slaying, according to a sheriff's department spokesman. As they approached, the officers heard a single gunshot.They went inside the home and found the man with a single gunshot wound, the spokesman said.

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    One law enforcement source said that the man was dead. However, Kitsap County sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Ken Dickinson said that the suspect has been taken to Tacoma General Hospital.
    Also other sources below:



    http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-wspt...,4226706.story
    Sometime after 9 a.m. investigators received a tip that the suspect was at a house off Hutchins Avenue SE in Port Orchard.

    As officers moved in, they heard a single gunshot and found the suspect wounded inside, sources said. He was rushed to Tacoma General Hospital; the extent of his injures was not immediately known.
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    "At 9:11 a.m., the Kitsap County Sheriff's SWAT team approached a house on Scofield Road in south Kitsap County, acting on a tip as to the possible location for the registered owner of the truck that we're looking for," said Kitsap County Sheriff's spokesman Ken Dickinson. "As they approached the house, they heard a single gunshot come from the area of the house. They approached and found a male subject with a self-inflicted gunshot wound injury."
    The identity of the man has not been confirmed. Dickinson said the man's wounds were life-threatening.
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    This just in '1 Minute Ago, suspect dies at hospital:

    http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/...rd-3355615.php
    As they surrounded the home, at about 9:10 a.m., police heard a single gunshot from inside the house or just behind it.

    Officer rushed in and found a man with a self-inflicted gunshot wound. He was still alive when officers found him, but died later of his injuries.

    ...

    The man was rushed to Tacoma General Hospital after he shot himself, but he later died.
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    My thoughts and sympathy go out to the family of the Trooper. Let's just hope the suicide was the shooter.
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    Prayers to the familes...
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    A terrible shame that we loose another Officer in the line of duty, my condolences goes out to his family and friends.
    A great deal of gratitude to those who have choose to serve the public as their compensation is far lower then they risk.
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    Was anyone listing to 770am this morning between 6:45 and 7?
    They were talking to a state patrol spokesman or maybe a sheriff spokesman.
    The question was asked “Do you know why the patrolman pulled the vehicle over?”
    The answer kind of shocked me.
    He said, “I do not know why the vehicle was stopped, we often randomly stop vehicles, we perform 100s…… 1000’s of stops per year.
    And it went on, with more questions.
    They have since cut up and replayed most of the morning events.
    Did anyone hear that?

    in the days to come, Read up about this officer we lost today. He had an amazing life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jt59 View Post
    Prayers to the familes...
    Prayers to the officers family....

    As for the perps family if his parents are still alive they have the knowledge of knowing they raised a murder that killed someone for no reason.

    His kids and other relitives know that they are related to a murder.

    The only thing he did that was good is take his cowardly life saving the taxpayers money.

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    New (or renewed) reports that we are one less felon in the state. Too bad he killed the officer.

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/M...140168583.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stat View Post
    The question was asked “Do you know why the patrolman pulled the vehicle over?”
    The answer kind of shocked me.
    He said, “I do not know why the vehicle was stopped, we often randomly stop vehicles, we perform 100s…… 1000’s of stops per year.
    I lived in the Port Orchard/Bremerton Area a while back and this area has numerous State Patrol Officers that usually gather around Gorst and if you have never been pulled over there for slightly speeding that would be odd as I have seen up to 6 State Patrol Officers lined up south bound numerous times ie around start and end of the day shifts to later in the evening, some say this area is a training area for New Officers.

    On that note it is not surprising to hear they do so many stops mainly for speeding (speed trap 60 mph to 40 and back to 60 while never leaving Hwy's 16/3/16) but not just to suggest just randomly stopping someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocWalker View Post
    Prayers to the officers family....
    This is the only decent thing you have said in your last post.
    The point not all families or friends contribute to some turning out the way they did or what they have done, to assume so is truly unjust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    New (or renewed) reports that we are one less felon in the state. Too bad he killed the officer.

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/M...140168583.html
    I'm pretty sure I went to High School with that guy. Same age group and the name sounds very familiar.

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    The person who, apparently, shot himself is innocent. It seems likely that he will properly be judged to be guilty. Right now he is innocent.

    How is this concept difficult?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ()pen(arry View Post
    The person who, apparently, shot himself is innocent. It seems likely that he will properly be judged to be guilty. Right now he is innocent.

    How is this concept difficult?
    So every District Attorney thinks every person he prosecutes is innocent until a judge or jury tells him different?????

    Following your logic; that would also mean that Cops arrested people they thought were innocent every time they made an arrest, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    This is the only decent thing you have said in your last post.
    The point not all families or friends contribute to some turning out the way they did or what they have done, to assume so is truly unjust.
    Reread DocWalker's post. He never claimed the family was responsible for the conditioning of a murderer. He said they will have to live with their relationship to the individual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orphan View Post
    So every District Attorney thinks every person he prosecutes is innocent until a judge or jury tells him different?????

    Following your logic; that would also mean that Cops arrested people they thought were innocent every time they made an arrest, right?
    First, the Presumption of Innocence is as old as Western history, as well as Common Law. It underpins the adversarial legal system in this country. It is intrinsic to the Reasonable Doubt standard in jurisprudence. It has been held to be Constitutionally mandated since 1895. In short, it is a principle as fundamental to the nature of this nation as the Right to Bear Arms.

    Second, I would think that people (including me) who are instinctively mistrustful of media would demonstrate a degree of circumspection when basing moral judgements on media reports, especially ones that have already been shown to be conflicting.

    Third, I would hope that people interested in right, justice, and due process would be naturally inclined to grant the benefit of the doubt to anyone who is accused of a crime, let alone someone who has not yet even been accused.

    Fourth, governmental prosecutors, including district attorneys, do not, at least in theory, prosecute people they assume to be innocent or guilty; there is no assumption made (yet there remains the presumption of innocence). What they do is execute the legal path that they and/or their employers determine is proper according to the laws of their jurisdiction, seeking justice, not conviction. It is, undeniably, the case that government prosecutors, particularly those who are elected, are incentivized to favor conviction over justice. All the more reason that rational and justice-minded people should err on the side of presuming innocence.

    Fifth, police officers do not, at least in theory, arrest people they have determined to be guilty. Rather, they arrest people who have met statutorily-defined standards for detention and incarceration, which make no assumption of guilt or innocence (yet there remains the presumption of innocence), but instead determine reasonable allowances for the maintenance of public safety in pursuit of justice. It is, undeniably, the case that police officers are often incentivized to arrest those who have not, by reasonable and objective judgement, met those statutorily-defined standards. All the more reason that rational and justice-minded people should err on the side of presuming innocence.

    Finally, while we, as human creatures, are prone to make judgements based upon limited evidence, and often do so properly, effectively, and usefully, we must, as rational, objective people, strive always to withhold hasty, unsubstantiated judgement upon our fellow people, particularly when it comes to their lives, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. A dead man deserves no less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    I lived in the Port Orchard/Bremerton Area a while back and this area has numerous State Patrol Officers that usually gather around Gorst and if you have never been pulled over there for slightly speeding that would be odd as I have seen up to 6 State Patrol Officers lined up south bound numerous times ie around start and end of the day shifts to later in the evening, some say this area is a training area for New Officers.

    On that note it is not surprising to hear they do so many stops mainly for speeding (speed trap 60 mph to 40 and back to 60 while never leaving Hwy's 16/3/16) but not just to suggest just randomly stopping someone.
    Dave, I have lived in Port Orchard for the last 35 years and I have never seen that many patrol cars in Gorst at one time. Between Bremerton and Silverdale, you may occassionally see 2-3 cars running radar and chase car.
    I travel that road daily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ()pen(arry View Post
    First, the Presumption of Innocence is as old as Western history, as well as Common Law. It underpins the adversarial legal system in this country. It is intrinsic to the Reasonable Doubt standard in jurisprudence. It has been held to be Constitutionally mandated since 1895. In short, it is a principle as fundamental to the nature of this nation as the Right to Bear Arms.

    Second, I would think that people (including me) who are instinctively mistrustful of media would demonstrate a degree of circumspection when basing moral judgements on media reports, especially ones that have already been shown to be conflicting.

    Third, I would hope that people interested in right, justice, and due process would be naturally inclined to grant the benefit of the doubt to anyone who is accused of a crime, let alone someone who has not yet even been accused.

    Fourth, governmental prosecutors, including district attorneys, do not, at least in theory, prosecute people they assume to be innocent or guilty; there is no assumption made (yet there remains the presumption of innocence). What they do is execute the legal path that they and/or their employers determine is proper according to the laws of their jurisdiction, seeking justice, not conviction. It is, undeniably, the case that government prosecutors, particularly those who are elected, are incentivized to favor conviction over justice. All the more reason that rational and justice-minded people should err on the side of presuming innocence.

    Fifth, police officers do not, at least in theory, arrest people they have determined to be guilty. Rather, they arrest people who have met statutorily-defined standards for detention and incarceration, which make no assumption of guilt or innocence (yet there remains the presumption of innocence), but instead determine reasonable allowances for the maintenance of public safety in pursuit of justice. It is, undeniably, the case that police officers are often incentivized to arrest those who have not, by reasonable and objective judgement, met those statutorily-defined standards. All the more reason that rational and justice-minded people should err on the side of presuming innocence.

    Finally, while we, as human creatures, are prone to make judgements based upon limited evidence, and often do so properly, effectively, and usefully, we must, as rational, objective people, strive always to withhold hasty, unsubstantiated judgement upon our fellow people, particularly when it comes to their lives, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. A dead man deserves no less.
    Thats all well and good but how could anyone ever face trial unless the DA and the arresting Cop thought they were guilty. If the DA thought they were innocent they would drop the charges. If the cop thought they were innocent he would not arrest them in the first place. Other wise you are telling me that the DA is prosecuting people that he thinks are innocent and Cops are arresting people they think are innocent.

    Now I do believe that Cops on occasion arrest people they know to be innocent, been there done that, I also believe that sometimes A DA will prosecute someone they know is innocent.

    Everything you posted above is symbolic and does not exist in the real world.

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