His totem pole was raised today at the Seattle Center.
May this totem pole be a gift that keeps giving to the City of Seattle, and its Police Department.
Live Free or Die!
Don't perpetuate their false victimhood by giving them cute names.
I just hope that 5, 10, or more years from now that people don't forget the name John T. Williams and let him only be remembered as just "the Indian Woodcarver that was killed by a Seattle Cop". It would be even more tragic if the only name remembered was that of the officer that killed him.
The Totem will help but it's up to the people to see this doesn't happen.
"If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"
"If you refuse to stand up for others now, who will stand up for you when your time comes?"
Why would we erect a memorial on public property to a known inebriate? We erect public memorials to heroes or people to be looked up to and emulated, not to a self-destructive person like Williams, who's conduct would have ended in his early demise anyway, Birk's involvement notwithstanding.
He also was a human being who contributed works of art to society he was loved by his family and many. We can always hope the "prodigal sons" come to their senses.
But by your comments people should be judged less severely for murdering elderly since they are closer to their demise?
I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.
U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
"Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)
A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.- Thomas Jefferson March 4 1801
Because the poor, the sick, the mentally ill all deserve less rights under the law then everyone else. Because those 'elements' of society deserve to be treated unequal under the law.
Frak that BS.
Last edited by Dave_pro2a; 02-27-2012 at 09:23 PM.
Had he shot a deaf blue-haired old lady swinging a knitting needle, having just come from Nordstom, on her way to her Mercedes, I doubt the consequences for Birk would have been any different.
Are you saying that the numerous inquiries into the shooting all considered Williams' station in society when reaching a conclusion?
That sounds like the kind of comment a bigoted racist might utter, imho.
Perpetuating their false victimhood and giving them cute names is certainly no service to them. It only serves to cement their station in society - it assures them that there is no life than what they know at the hands of their benevolent masters, the government. It will guarantee them many more generations of poverty, alcoholism and drug abuse, and living in mobile homes with the tongues still attached, trash strewn about their yards.
It is sad what we are doing in the name of helping them.
Back to the memorial:
Why was Williams a hero? Why was he someone to be looked up to and emulated, in a public sense? Why does his memory deserve his memorial?
Do you even know what a racist is?Yeah, that sounds like a bigot and a racist talking
I want Indians to have the same opportunity for success as all races. Perpetuating the victimhood cycle does nothing to accomplish that.
Last edited by deanf; 02-27-2012 at 09:45 PM.
Just the sober Indians you mean, right?
Oh, and amerindian isn't a 'cutsey name', it's only been in use since the late 1800's. It distinguishes the American Aborigine from the Australian who are usually addressed only as 'aborigines' and from those who are truly Indians that live on a south Asian sub-continent. If some benighted Genoan hadn't saddled them with that misidentification we'd probably all be better off, but it's hard to change history.
Last edited by Fallschirmjäger; 02-27-2012 at 10:01 PM.
He was murdered by LEO. The LEO got off scott free. Seattle needs, no it deserves, a constant reminder of that abuse of power and authority. If for no other reason, that's enough justification for the existence of the Totem Pole.
In other words, a human life is inherently valuable. Every human in America has basic rights. The LEO took a life while violating that American Indian's Rights. Yes, erect a *** **** memorial, and do it for every person murdered or maimed by LEO in Seattle (or anywhere)
Personally, I want to see a large public piece of artwork, or hell even just a big billboard on I-5 at both ends of the city, with this person's image on it -- and the warning "WATCH OUT FOR SEATTLE POLICE OFFICERS -- THEY MIGHT RANDOMLY MAIM OR KILL YOU"
And every time the SPD creates another VICTIM then there should be another sign, totem pole, or whatever it takes to shove the brutal truth into the face of Seattleites -- until officers start serving time for their lawless behavior.
Last edited by Dave_pro2a; 02-27-2012 at 10:04 PM.
And I think a reasonable person could say that: It seem to have ZERO respect for the Constitution, and equality under the law. You also have ZERO desire to hold LEO responsible for their illegal and immoral actions.
It's funny that you can't even talk about this issue without admitting that American Indians ARE victims (on some level) and that victimhood is a cycle -- implying that it is hard to break.
Been patiently following this thread and see that there are some strong feelings about this local issue, but what exactly does this have to do with OC or RKBA?
You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC
Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.