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    Ohio School Shooting: Four Shot, One in Custody

    Ohio School Shooting: Four Shot, One in Custody

    http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=15799815

    How long until the brady bunch celebrates another opportunity?

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    this can not be a real story. after all it is a GUN FREE ZONE. there could not be any shooting in a GUN FREE ZONE. so it has to be a lie. maybe it is just a drill in case someone would actually bring a gun to school
    Luke 22:36 ; 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

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    i you call a CHP a CCW then you are really stupid. period.

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    Just outside of Cleveland, one of the last hubs of anti-2nd Amendment sentiment in the state, in a school which is supposedly "gun free" according to both federal and state law, watched by surveillance cameras in the school which did *squat* except provide eventual youtube videos for the internet, and participated in by disarmed teachers and students, except of course for the thugs who did the actual shooting.

    The response I'm hearing from Cleveland-ish located news outlets? Why, clearly there wasn't enough done to prevent gun violence, of course!

    Some are jumping on the metal detector bandwagon, because as we all know, a person intent on murder will stop and wait in line and consent to be scanned by some 80 pound overweight rent-a-cop, and won't simply blow right past him and the detector.

    It bothers me, some days, that a lot of truly emotion based and irrational people, vote.

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    We have the Brady Campaign for the "Prevention" of Gun Violence to thank for this...

    The anti-Constitutional gun-grabbers told us this scenario, like Columbine, would be IMPOSSIBLE after the Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1990 (revised in 1995). After all, if it's illegal, it can't happen, right?

    The only thing the GFSZ Act rendered illegal was teachers and parents being able to protect and defend their students and loved ones by having the ability to preferably deter an attacker by carrying, or if the attacker was not deterred, to stop him. Sadly, both deterrence and stopping were taken away from us by well-intentioned but irrational idiots who neither have any understanding of, nor respect for our Bill of Rights.

    Result: "One Dead, Four Injured."

    Thank you very much, Brady Bunch! (not) How many more scenarios like this much happen before you pull your collective heads out of your asses and realize our Second Amendment was put in place by men FAR WISER THAN YOU, and for reasons and situations such as this?
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

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    There's an unconfirmed report that a radio station in the area was reporting that the 2nd fleeing perpetrator was stopped by a CHL holder. Still unconfirmed, I'm tuning in the radio to see if they say anything here (I'm near Columbus).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostOfJefferson View Post
    There's an unconfirmed report that a radio station in the area was reporting that the 2nd fleeing perpetrator was stopped by a CHL holder. Still unconfirmed, I'm tuning in the radio to see if they say anything here (I'm near Columbus).
    You think the story might break before the uber-liberal brain-dead left editors squash it?
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    You think the story might break before the uber-liberal brain-dead left editors squash it?
    Hard to say. I haven't heard anything about it, and I've heard several reports now, so I suspect it was a one off rumor-guess by somebody with bad hearing. Subject to revising my opinion if I hear it confirmed of course.

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    One kid (male) dead. The thought occured to me that this 'lockdown' stuff may have prevented kids from escaping? Uh oh... now the shooter (17) being called a victim of bullying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonora Rebel View Post
    One kid (male) dead. The thought occured to me that this 'lockdown' stuff may have prevented kids from escaping? Uh oh... now the shooter (17) being called a victim of bullying.
    I heard the "bullying" thing as well. As if there is somehow some justification for killing or attempting to kill others.
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    What a sad tragedy. I used to live just north of Chardon, while working just northeast of there in college. Chardon and some of the nearby surrounding areas are semi-rural so you don't necessarily see the same attitudes that you might in that hole Cleveland, but it's still not as firearm friendly as where I am now.

    While listening to a Cleveland local broadcast this morning I heard their local Fox affiliate discussing the situation with a consultant on school security. During the discussion he flatly put to bed the thought that metal detectors would have stopped the shooting.

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    I was relentlessly bullied in high school.

    I subscribe to the Mongolian maxim that revenge is a dish best serve cold.

    I pretty much dealt with the bullying with quiet, stoic dignity until the bully turned 18. Then, when he went COMPLETELY over the line and ended up giving me a concussion bad enough for me to miss 2 days of school, I had my parents press assault charges against him. He ended up with an "assault against a minor" conviction.

    He'll never own a gun, be able to have a clearance, work with children, or win a custody battle ever again in his life.

    Bullies need to know that if they pick on the smart kids because they are smart kids, that their victims will eventually have their revenge, and it will last for the rest of the bully's life...

    Kids today who feel they need to resort to firearms because they are being bullied are being victimized TWICE--once by the bully, an a second time by an educational system that hasn't taught them how to be politically and legally crafty.

    Not excusing the actions of the shooter, but I think we need to understand just where he's coming from--he was probably at his wits end, the school was doing nothing about the bully, and the educational system was teaching him to submit to ANYONE or ANYTHING that had superior force (because that's what they want--passive slaves). The kid probably TRULY felt he had no other choice, in his twisted, prescription-drug-addled, "might-makes right" brainwashed mind.

    Add onto this the VERY high possibility that the shooter was on a cocktail of psychotropic drugs like Ritalin, Prozac, or whatever, and you've got what amounts to a GUARANTEE that someday, somewhere, there's gonna be a few kids that finally "snap"...
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    Once again, the media insists on posting these made-up and obviously fictional stories.

    According to eye-witnesses the shooter "pulled out his gun and started shooting" indicating he was CCing. The alleged shooter is 17 years old. In OH, you must be 21 to have a concealed carry permit, so there is NO WAY that the shooter was CCing if he was 17. Or if he was CCing, they've got the wrong man, because the law says in OH that nobody under 21 may CC.

    Also they say this 17-year-old shooter used a handgun. It is against Federal and OH State Law for a minor (someone under 18) to possess a handgun without direct adult supervision. So there is NO WAY that this 17-year-old student could have used a handgun.

    Also, it is against State and Federal law to bring a loaded firearm onto high-school property, so since the GFSZ laws are 100% effective in preventing gun crime in schools, there is NO WAY this story happened as reported.

    And finally, it is expressly against OH law to discharge a firearm inside a building (unless in self-defense), as well as to commit aggravated assault or murder. So there is simply NO WAY that what the media is reporting actually happened.

    The ONLY person who could have possibly CCed a handgun into a school in OH (because the law prevents everyone else from doing so, and we all know that EVERYONE obeys "gun control" laws) would be a cop. I think perhaps the local police have the wrong man in this case, if their "suspect" is a 17-year-old high school student, because the laws of OH and the USA have established a condition where there is simply NO WAY he could have done this...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
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    Quote Originally Posted by papa bear View Post
    this can not be a real story. after all it is a GUN FREE ZONE. there could not be any shooting in a GUN FREE ZONE. so it has to be a lie. maybe it is just a drill in case someone would actually bring a gun to school
    I agree, there's no way a juvenille could get a gun legally, therefore it never happened.

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    Witnesses identified the shooter as T.J. Lane. He was chased out of the building by a teacher and later arrested. He is in police custody.

    People who knew Lane said he was quiet and never bothered anyone, but was influenced by a Gothic lifestyle.

    Sources tell KDKA-TV the gunman may have been jealous that one of the victims was dating his ex-girlfriend who was homeschooled.
    http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/...ct-identified/

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    EVERY SINGLE student eye-witness interview I've seen in the media INSISTS there were two shooters.

    But the "official" story is that this Lane kid was the only one.

    Get the popcorn ready, folks. This is gonna be a good one...

    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
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    Eye witness testimony is not considered reliable evidence by most people who've studied human memory and perception.

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    The police putting campuses on "lockdown" when events like this transpire is like the fire department putting padlocks on all the exits when the fire alarm goes off...

    Sick, the mentality of school administrations and their associated security and LE organizations is a sick mixture of blood-lust, power-hunger, and ninnying submission to authority with a complete disdain for individual initiative and personal responsibility.

    I'm becoming more and more ashamed to say I am a US Citizen every day...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
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    The utility of the lockdown is only to make Police agents have easier movement through the area. It serves no benefit to the victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    EVERY SINGLE student eye-witness interview I've seen in the media INSISTS there were two shooters.

    But the "official" story is that this Lane kid was the only one.

    Get the popcorn ready, folks. This is gonna be a good one...

    For a while they were reporting two shooters here too, in fact, even after it was "over" and the shooter(s) caught, then the cops, in their taxpayer financed kevlar vests and wielding ferocious firepower, finally bravely entered the area to take account of the victims they didn't defend, opting instead to courageously hunker down behind cover outside the school.

    That's where I got the 2nd captured by a CHL, we were discussing the event in a more Ohio centric forum and wondering if the 2nd guy was really caught by a CHL or not. Now apparently the 2nd guy was beamed back aboard the starship Enterprise, leaving us gnashing our teeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComradeV View Post
    Eye witness testimony is not considered reliable evidence by most people who've studied human memory and perception.
    Individually, correct. If 200 people see the same thing with no real deviation in description, then there is more at play than imagination or bad memory, most likely.

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    I saw the Daytona 500 on TV last night, along with millions of other folks, and I swear that I witnessed Danica Patrick could have won that race. Also, the jet-dryer swerved into Montoya and not the other way around as was allegedly shown on TV.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

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    If 200 people could accurately recall the exact same story with no deviation, that would be far more suspicious than if they recalled essentially the same story with minor details being different.

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    Yet, a cop who is a eye witness is reliable, a trained observer. Unlike the cops dash-cam video that allegedly does not put any recorded incident in its proper context, unless that video corroborates the reliable trained observer.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComradeV View Post
    If 200 people could accurately recall the exact same story with no deviation, that would be far more suspicious than if they recalled essentially the same story with minor details being different.
    Let's not be pedantic, you know what I was saying.

    Individuals can have quirky memories. If you have a large group telling you essentially the same details though, then you can put together some reasonable picture of fact from at least the macro details.

    So, if 200 people (I'm making that number up, btw), interviewed seperately, say they saw two seperate assailants, that has a lot more credence than one shaky kid going through shell shock talking into a camera for the news. Whether the 200 can agree or not on what color socks the two assailants were wearing is secondary at best, and tangental to the point I was making.

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