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    How to survive a school shooting

    These are not my words.

    "A shooter enters the classroom and starts shooting at people. Remember, there is nowhere to run or hide.

    The strategy begins with the first person who notices the shooter and yells “GUN!” Everyone in the room then throws whatever is available, as hard as they can, at the shooter’s face causing him to flinch, and preventing him from taking aim. Then what’s known as the “throw and go” tactic is implemented.

    Upon throwing items at the shooter, the occupants rush to and swarm the shooter. The first few people are taught to attack and move the shooter’s gun hand and gun toward the ground.

    At the same time or shortly after, the other swarmer’s attack and take the shooter to the ground. Students, faculty and staff are taught to strategically lay on the shooter’s extremities as well as their core area to maximize the amount of weight on the shooter.

    In addition, they are taught to place ready-at-hand objects such as belts, T-shirts, etc., onto the shooter’s throat, nose and eyes to disrupt breathing and sight.

    Once it is determined the shooter is no longer a threat, people are instructed to release pressure to allow breathing but maintain control on top of the shooter until the police arrive."

    Larry Banaszak is the Chief of Police [sic] at Otterbein University.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...hool-shooting/
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldbanger View Post
    The first few people are taught to attack and move the shooter’s gun hand and gun toward the ground.
    Why are only the "first few" people taught to attack? How are these "first few" picked? How are they taught to attack? What are they taught? Do they scream BONSAI! as they attack?

    If we outlaw schools this discussion becomes irrelevant. Do it for the children.
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    I think the best option would be to pull out your own gun and shoot back, but then again finding a school that allows you to carry is not really something that is easy to do right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sangre View Post
    I think the best option would be to pull out your own gun and shoot back, but then again finding a school that allows you to carry is not really something that is easy to do right now

    Anyone ever notice how school shooting never happen in the inner cities? Wonder why? It's because about 25% pf the students and faculty are probably packing heat...

    Meanwhile, in the suburbs, law-abiding students and teachers follow the rules and don't carry in school, and most of the suburbanites are domesticated sheeple anyway, and wouldn't carry even if they COULD, because they have been effectively brainwashed to believe they are in a "safe part of town", and that the "police are there to protect them".

    Criminals, thugs, and madmen might be psychotic, but they aren't stupid.

    Fishermen go where the fish are--or in this case, wolves go where the sheep are...
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    I think the public schools should revive Bert the Turtle's "Duck & Cover" campaign.

    Yeah...that'll work. They really knew what they were doing back in the 1950s!
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    The whole idea is to not cower under a desk with your cell phone in hand hoping someone will come to the rescue. That is a sure way to get one in the head,instead, do whatever you can to throw the thug off his or her game. Remember, he came in with a plan, anything to disrupt his plan will send him running or if its a suicide/ murder then he will just put a bullet into himself. The schools teach the first. Find a desk and hide. This is wrong and stupid, but what do we expect from our public,gov. run schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wethepeople View Post
    The whole idea is to not cower under a desk with your cell phone in hand hoping someone will come to the rescue. That is a sure way to get one in the head,instead, do whatever you can to throw the thug off his or her game.
    After you. I insist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wethepeople View Post
    The whole idea is to not cower under a desk with your cell phone in hand hoping someone will come to the rescue. That is a sure way to get one in the head,instead, do whatever you can to throw the thug off his or her game. Remember, he came in with a plan, anything to disrupt his plan will send him running or if its a suicide/ murder then he will just put a bullet into himself. The schools teach the first. Find a desk and hide. This is wrong and stupid, but what do we expect from our public,gov. run schools.
    When I was in Middle/High school we had "Code Blue" drills where we would turn off all the lights everybody would get into the back of the room away from the door and be quiet - the idea being an active shooter or physical threat would not know which classrooms had people in them. This I think was a good idea, but it was as far as the drills went. If someone did come into the classroom I do agree the best option then would be to do everything possible to take them down, it's unlikely they could take out 30 kids. I remember discussing this after the Virginia Tech shootings with fellow classmates and figuring that being hit with a thrown desk, hopefully multiple desks should easily disorient somebody enough to have the teacher/students jump him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldbanger View Post
    ...At the same time or shortly after, the other swarmer’s attack and take the shooter to the ground. Students, faculty and staff are taught to strategically lay on the shooter’s extremities as well as their core area to maximize the amount of weight on the shooter.
    When the shooter is immobilized then the class draws straws for who gets to pound the scum into the next world with textbooks...
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    If everything else fails, do the redneck "Nuclear Attack Drill": Stand up straight, move your feet shoulder width apart, bend waaaaay over, and kiss your sweet *** goodbye!!

    High school down; I am much in favor of having teachers vetted and armed much like airline pilots.

    College: Concealed carry for students legally of age to carry at any public institution. Private institutions make their own policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    If everything else fails, do the redneck "Nuclear Attack Drill": Stand up straight, move your feet shoulder width apart, bend waaaaay over, and kiss your sweet *** goodbye!!

    High school down; I am much in favor of having teachers vetted and armed much like airline pilots.

    College: Concealed carry for students legally of age to carry at any public institution. Private institutions make their own policies.
    The problem with that is that "Dumbo" is trying to get the pilots ability to carry overturned as well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTHunter View Post
    The problem with that is that "Dumbo" is trying to get the pilots ability to carry overturned as well!
    And there are those who "honestly" think he won't cause every privately-owned firearm in the United States to be confiscated? I don't think he's going to be successful in disarming the pilots, but one never knows.

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    In Vietman we were taught to attack the threat...this ment, if you were in a convoy, drive into the fire in an attempt to get behind the source of fire. If you were on the ground, were ambushed, and did not have cover...same, attack the threat, again in an attempt to get behind it.

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    Good luck getting a bunch of smartphone carrying, texting/sexting in school during class, self-absorbed, adolescents making a charge at a dude, likely in their own age group, who has just walked into their classroom/cafeteria and starts shooting folks. Heck, some of them will hide, but only to the extent that they can still catch a video to post later on YouTube and Facebook.

    Nope, if your kids go to public school, you have placed their safety into the hands of people who care deeply about your kid, but won't lift a finger to defend them when the time comes to actually get their hands dirty. Kids think the adult(s) in the school will 'protect' them.

    Nope, this is not how schools works (thanks leftist), let the cops come and get their hands dirty, later.....much later.
    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.

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    I always sit at the back corner of the room. Gives me time to skin my smoke-wagon since the shooter would have to work their way through the crowd.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    In Vietman we were taught to attack the threat...this ment, if you were in a convoy, drive into the fire in an attempt to get behind the source of fire. If you were on the ground, were ambushed, and did not have cover...same, attack the threat, again in an attempt to get behind it.
    When I was there, MY preferred reaction to an full-fledged ambush situation (when WE weren't doing it to THEM that is -- and usually at NIGHT!) was tearing off into the bush to outflank them (there was usually plenty of concealment about and incoming fire was focused on the group, not 1-2 people darting off to the side "escaping").

    In a school-shooting-scenario, however, with only 1 or very few shooters in action, attacking them quickly, directly and aggressively (while using whatever cover there was of course) would be my choice -- so I agree with your "straight-on" response in a school (or workplace) situation.

    [Not that it matters whether I agree or not, just sayin'...]
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldbanger View Post
    These are not my words.

    "A shooter enters the classroom and starts shooting at people. Remember, there is nowhere to run or hide.

    The strategy begins with the first person who notices the shooter and yells “GUN!” Everyone in the room then throws whatever is available, as hard as they can, at the shooter’s face causing him to flinch, and preventing him from taking aim. Then what’s known as the “throw and go” tactic is implemented.

    Upon throwing items at the shooter, the occupants rush to and swarm the shooter. The first few people are taught to attack and move the shooter’s gun hand and gun toward the ground.

    At the same time or shortly after, the other swarmer’s attack and take the shooter to the ground. Students, faculty and staff are taught to strategically lay on the shooter’s extremities as well as their core area to maximize the amount of weight on the shooter.

    In addition, they are taught to place ready-at-hand objects such as belts, T-shirts, etc., onto the shooter’s throat, nose and eyes to disrupt breathing and sight.

    Once it is determined the shooter is no longer a threat, people are instructed to release pressure to allow breathing but maintain control on top of the shooter until the police arrive."

    Larry Banaszak is the Chief of Police [sic] at Otterbein University.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...hool-shooting/
    My, but that's complicated!

    How's this for a response: Draw and RETURN FIRE.
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    Our rights are NOT subject to "interpretation" by well-meaning but Constitutionally illiterate politicians. They are absolute and unwavering, as are We the People. Some rights are mentioned in our Constitution. Many are not. ALL are protected by our Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land, as specifically noted by the Ninth and Tenth Amendments in our Bill of Rights. If you're incapable of understanding, accepting, and respecting that, you are in the WRONG job, if not the wrong country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SFCRetired View Post
    College: Concealed carry for students legally of age to carry at any public institution. Private institutions make their own policies.
    You're on target, SFCRetired! Today was the first day here in Colorado that students could legally CC on campus!

    Colorado court says students can carry guns on campus

    I take great pride in this decision! I've been writing to the Colorado State Legislature, and then here online, as well as to various organizations about this issue for a couple of years.

    This is a terrific decision!

    More will be posted (or has been posted) in the Colorado section.
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    Our rights are NOT subject to "interpretation" by well-meaning but Constitutionally illiterate politicians. They are absolute and unwavering, as are We the People. Some rights are mentioned in our Constitution. Many are not. ALL are protected by our Constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land, as specifically noted by the Ninth and Tenth Amendments in our Bill of Rights. If you're incapable of understanding, accepting, and respecting that, you are in the WRONG job, if not the wrong country.

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    How to survive a school shooting: Shoot back.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    Skip class.
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    Don't be in school! Seriously for those who can homeschool K-12 rocks! Now for college it varies state to state, but I say online courses beat the pants off having to be a sitting duck in class. Where I live if you carry to class (college) the college can throw you out if they find out, but in that case I say concealed is concealed (depending on your states laws on that). Carry concealed, carry deep. Better to lose a semesters tuition and live to find another school than to die in a hail of bullets.

    It would be nice to find a university that respected my constitutional rights so OC would be a possiblity. Until then do what you gotta do. Stay safe yall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MamabearCali View Post
    Don't be in school! Seriously for those who can homeschool K-12 rocks!
    +100!!!

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    We did the lockdown drills, and watched a video on throwing the backpacks, etc.

    But what if the shooter decides he's not there to talk, and opens the door shooting? I don't know of anybody who is going to stand up to throw a textbook in front of a bullet. bullets move faster than textbooks.

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