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    Yay a new job... wait "no weapons on company owned property"?!

    So, I just picked up a part-time temp job in Mt. Sterling, for GK Services. I was handed a bunch of papers to read over at the temp Agency, and on several paragraphs of the sheets titled company policy, and safety; It was made clear that the company, this is in their words, "will release and/or terminate any full-time employee, or temporary agent, who willfully keeps a firearm on any portion of our property." and "It is illegal to keep a deadly weapon in non-company owned vehicles". and my favorite; "Legal action will be filed against any person(s) who violate our policy on deadly weapons to the fullest extent of the law".

    So, I kinda like my new job, atleast since I just had my first day, and I don't want to screw it up by informing the company management that their policy for their property, atleast concerning their employee parking lot, is in violation of KRS 237.106;

    "237.106 Right of employees and other persons to possess firearms in vehicle -- Employer liable for denying right -- Exceptions.
    (1) No person, including but not limited to an employer, who is the owner, lessee, or occupant of real property shall prohibit any person who is legally entitled to possess a firearm from possessing a firearm, part of a firearm, ammunition, or ammunition component in a vehicle on the property.
    (2) A person, including but not limited to an employer, who owns, leases, or otherwise occupies real property may prevent a person who is prohibited by state or federal law from possessing a firearm or ammunition from possessing a firearm or ammunition on the property.
    (3) A firearm may be removed from the vehicle or handled in the case of self-defense, defense of another, defense of property, or as authorized by the owner, lessee, or occupant of the property.
    (4) An employer that fires, disciplines, demotes, or otherwise punishes an employee who is lawfully exercising a right guaranteed by this section and who is engaging in conduct in compliance with this statute shall be liable in civil damages. An employee may seek and the court shall grant an injunction against an employer who is violating the provisions of this section when it is found that the employee is in compliance with the provisions of this section.
    (5) The provisions of this section shall not apply to any real property:
    (a) Owned, leased, or occupied by the United States government, upon which the possession or carrying of firearms is prohibited or controlled;
    (b) Of a detention facility as defined in KRS 520.010; or
    (c) Where a section of the Kentucky Revised Statutes specifically prohibits possession or carrying of firearms on the property.
    Effective: July 12, 2006
    History: Created 2006 Ky. Acts ch. 240, sec. 8, effective July 12, 2006."

    Any tips on this? I got hired on for night shift, 2:30p-11:00p, and don't want to get into my car at night, in the half-lit parking lot, and not be able to defend myself from any would be robber who was stalking industrial parking lots...

    Or perhaps one of you kind gentlemen, would like to inform my new employer of their violations of state law~ Either or would be fine for me ^~^
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    If you want to put the gun in the glove compartment, just do it...don't broadcast it.

    You do not want to get into a wrongful discharge case...they'll say they fired you for another reason & bingo, they're off the hook.
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    Suggestion to put it in the suggestion box....

    (4) An employer that fires, disciplines, demotes, or otherwise punishes an employee who is lawfully exercising a right guaranteed by this section and who is engaging in conduct in compliance with this statute shall be liable in civil damages. An employee may seek and the court shall grant an injunction against an employer who is violating the provisions of this section when it is found that the employee is in compliance with the provisions of this section.

    If they fire you, sue...just make sure it's over this issue, not because your consistently 5 min. early.
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    have an email for a manager or owner that someone could shoot an email to with the current state law? I could send them one and politely say I was reading their employment procedures and noticed they were violating state law with this policy. No mention of you whatsoever and it gets the point across without you being suspected.

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    That is a great idea! Hope he takes you up on that.

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    I would appreciate the offer, and gladly take you up on it; however, I have not seen or noted a suggestion box of any sort, and dont know or have the email of the manage in charge, all I have, is the number for the main office that my temp agency gave me, but looking up on google, there is a general email address for the entire company, including its Indiana, MN, and Ky locations.

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    140 Clarence Dr.
    Mount Sterling, KY 40353
    gkweb@gkservices.com Phone : (866) 548-8434


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    Drake doesn't happen to be part of your real name does it? If you want to remain completely anonymous I would suggest editing your original post so they can't just google "GK services firearm Kentucky" and track it back to you.

    Just a suggestion.

    (I have never linked to a google search so I don't know if this will work. 3rd from the top)
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    So put it in the glovebox and keep your mouth shut about it.

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    make your choice

    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeZ07 View Post
    So, I just picked up a part-time temp job in Mt. Sterling, for GK Services. I was handed a bunch of papers to read over at the temp Agency, and on several paragraphs of the sheets titled company policy, and safety; It was made clear that the company, this is in their words, "will release and/or terminate any full-time employee, or temporary agent, who willfully keeps a firearm on any portion of our property." and "It is illegal to keep a deadly weapon in non-company owned vehicles". and my favorite; "Legal action will be filed against any person(s) who violate our policy on deadly weapons to the fullest extent of the law".

    So, I kinda like my new job, atleast since I just had my first day, and I don't want to screw it up by informing the company management that their policy for their property, atleast concerning their employee parking lot, is in violation of KRS 237.106;

    "237.106 Right of employees and other persons to possess firearms in vehicle -- Employer liable for denying right -- Exceptions.
    (1) No person, including but not limited to an employer, who is the owner, lessee, or occupant of real property shall prohibit any person who is legally entitled to possess a firearm from possessing a firearm, part of a firearm, ammunition, or ammunition component in a vehicle on the property.
    (2) A person, including but not limited to an employer, who owns, leases, or otherwise occupies real property may prevent a person who is prohibited by state or federal law from possessing a firearm or ammunition from possessing a firearm or ammunition on the property.
    (3) A firearm may be removed from the vehicle or handled in the case of self-defense, defense of another, defense of property, or as authorized by the owner, lessee, or occupant of the property.
    (4) An employer that fires, disciplines, demotes, or otherwise punishes an employee who is lawfully exercising a right guaranteed by this section and who is engaging in conduct in compliance with this statute shall be liable in civil damages. An employee may seek and the court shall grant an injunction against an employer who is violating the provisions of this section when it is found that the employee is in compliance with the provisions of this section.
    (5) The provisions of this section shall not apply to any real property:
    (a) Owned, leased, or occupied by the United States government, upon which the possession or carrying of firearms is prohibited or controlled;
    (b) Of a detention facility as defined in KRS 520.010; or
    (c) Where a section of the Kentucky Revised Statutes specifically prohibits possession or carrying of firearms on the property.
    Effective: July 12, 2006
    History: Created 2006 Ky. Acts ch. 240, sec. 8, effective July 12, 2006."

    Any tips on this? I got hired on for night shift, 2:30p-11:00p, and don't want to get into my car at night, in the half-lit parking lot, and not be able to defend myself from any would be robber who was stalking industrial parking lots...

    Or perhaps one of you kind gentlemen, would like to inform my new employer of their violations of state law~ Either or would be fine for me ^~^
    Drake, i see your point of liking the Job, but why post and ask us you know the law as well as we do. it is a choice for you to make. tell them there breaking the Law or abide by there unlawful rules. I had to do the same thing and i was risking a Job i have 17 years invested in, but sometime you have to do what your heart tells you to do. But now where i work has taken their rule of no weapons on company property out of the rule book and changed it to in company buildings..
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    Quote Originally Posted by flb_78 View Post
    So put it in the glovebox and keep your mouth shut about it.
    +1, Lets all just act like we don't have any rights and just hide them away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    +1, Lets all just act like we don't have any rights and just hide them away.
    He's a brand new hire, working part time through a temp agency. I really doubt that they're going to rewrite their own rulebook over him. He has no rights as an employee there because he works for the temp agency, not the factory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flb_78 View Post
    He's a brand new hire, working part time through a temp agency. I really doubt that they're going to rewrite their own rulebook over him. He has no rights as an employee there because he works for the temp agency, not the factory.
    The law's text is up there ^^^. I don't think you read it the 1st time so I am not going to post it again, but I will summarize the part I think is relevant.

    NOBODY who owns property (the parking lot of the place Drake works at) can prohibit anyone who can legally possess a gun from possessing it in their vehicle. It doesn't say that it has to be your direct employer, it doesn't say you have to work there for so long, it doesn't even say you need to work full time. And no, they probably won't rewrite their rulebook over him, but they might if they are informed of the law and how they're in violation of it.

    So, yes he does have rights and they are affirmed by state law. Maybe you shouldn't shy away from everything so easily.
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    "DrakeZ07" has no relation to my actual legal and given name; its sort of a short-hand term some of my older friends called me, and is my "Alternate persona/fursona" for when I attend conventions~ :P

    I could keep my mouth shut, and still keep the firearm in my vehicle, but that would be against my nature. I don't like to hide behind a veil of silence, and if anyone at my new job would ask me if I kept a firearm in my truck, I would say yes.

    Yea I know of the law, and probably shouldn't have made this thread; I was just seeking advice, on whether I should mention state law to my temp agency, or directly to the building management, or if I should email it, or just not do anything.
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    I had jobs in the past where they would state no firearms on company property, but would gladly state the inside of your vehicle is none of our concern. Even though they state this on their policy, I have never had a job that would tell me that I couldn't have it in my car locked up. There just stating this as more of a safety factor for them and their insurance policy. There are a lot of crap rules stated with millions of company's, but half the time is because its the insurance policy that there trying to keep at low cost, so they have to state certain rules.
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    you are correct, they have to state certain rules for insurance purposes. Those "rules" can not be a violation of state law though! They need to change their policy to state no firearms on company property, "unless" stored in your personal vehicle and locked as per KRS 237.106.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KYGlockster View Post
    you are correct, they have to state certain rules for insurance purposes. Those "rules" can not be a violation of state law though! They need to change their policy to state no firearms on company property, "unless" stored in your personal vehicle and locked as per KRS 237.106.
    KRS 237.106 Makes no mention that the firearm must be "locked" within your vehicle, nor does it say it has to be in any factory installed compartment, glovebox, etc, nor does it say it cannot be laying in the open on your dashboard, or seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    Maybe you shouldn't shy away from everything so easily.
    This really digs at me.

    It was GutShot and I who open carried into the Bardstown city counsel meeting, in violation of their illegal law which banned guns on all city property. We both could of been arrested that night on bogus charges.

    Im not shying away from it, but if Drake is needing a job, then it's probably best to not rock the boat the 2nd day he works there. They can let him go at any time for no reason what so ever because he works for the temp agency, not the factory.

    I know when I was out of work for 9 months, a job was much more important to me than being able to keep a gun on the dash of my car. I just kept in the glovebox and kept quiet about it, even though "company policy" was no guns on the property at all.

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    Drake, they have been contacted!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeZ07 View Post
    KRS 237.106 Makes no mention that the firearm must be "locked" within your vehicle, nor does it say it has to be in any factory installed compartment, glovebox, etc, nor does it say it cannot be laying in the open on your dashboard, or seat.
    Your correct, but they could make you lock your vehical, and anyone with any intelligence would lock their vehicle with a firearm inside. The law simply says they can not prevent you from keeping a firearm in your vehicle, it does not say they can't make you lock your vehicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    Someone probably inform them of the law.
    They sure did Gutshot, it was me. and i have to thank you for that. I read all your posts and after meeting you at Frankfort i figured i should step up and inform them of the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flb_78 View Post
    This really digs at me.

    It was GutShot and I who open carried into the Bardstown city counsel meeting, in violation of their illegal law which banned guns on all city property. We both could of been arrested that night on bogus charges.

    Im not shying away from it, but if Drake is needing a job, then it's probably best to not rock the boat the 2nd day he works there. They can let him go at any time for no reason what so ever because he works for the temp agency, not the factory.

    I know when I was out of work for 9 months, a job was much more important to me than being able to keep a gun on the dash of my car. I just kept in the glovebox and kept quiet about it, even though "company policy" was no guns on the property at all.
    My apologies, I should have said "Don't suggest we shy away from everything." I didn't mean that you are a hidden 2nd amendment supporter, we are all supporter of rights.
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    at 2:20pm I brought a printed document of the .PDF file from KRS 237.106 to the manager in charge, and informed him of their illegal policy.

    I locked in and started work again at 2:30pm.

    After first break at 4:30pm, went out and had a smoke, which is allowed. At 4:40pm, the building manager came over and informed me I was being moved from my position, to a different area of the building.

    Before lunch at 7:30pm, my super visor asked me if I kept a firearm in my vehicle, I said yes, and told him about the state statue allowing it, and guided him to the state website to look it up himself. He let me have my lunch, didn't say a word to me after that.

    A 9:56pm, my night shift temp agency rep came over along with the supervisor, and informed me I was being terminated for "poor work performance". I was escorted to my vehicle by the supervisor, and an armed security guard, who took my building ID pass card, and badge, and watched me leave the gated parking area.

    As it stands right now, I am no longer employed by GK Services through NESCO temp agency.

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    I find it a little more than funny, more along BS lines, that I was "let go" for "poor work performance" when the supervisor said it himself, a three year old could do this job with his eyes blindfolded not two days ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeZ07 View Post
    at 2:20pm I brought a printed document of the .PDF file from KRS 237.106 to the manager in charge, and informed him of their illegal policy.

    I locked in and started work again at 2:30pm.

    After first break at 4:30pm, went out and had a smoke, which is allowed. At 4:40pm, the building manager came over and informed me I was being moved from my position, to a different area of the building.

    Before lunch at 7:30pm, my super visor asked me if I kept a firearm in my vehicle, I said yes, and told
    him about the state statue allowing it, and guided him to the state website to look it up himself. He let me have my lunch, didn't say a word to me after that.A 9:56pm, my night shift temp agency rep came over along with the supervisor, and informed me I was being terminated for "poor work performance". I was escorted to my vehicle by the supervisor, and an armed security guard, who took my building ID pass card, and badge, and watched me leave the gated parking area.

    As it stands right now, I am no longer employed by GK Services through NESCO temp agency.

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    I find it a little more than funny, more along BS lines, that I was "let go" for "poor work performance" when the supervisor said it himself, a three year old could do this job with his eyes blindfolded not two days ago.
    Please, please, please tell me you recorded this evenings events? Even if you did not, I would be speaking with a lawyer Tom., and filing suit for damages. They would have to prove you were terminated for poor job performance, and being as you only worked a day and a half I doubt they could! Once you said you informed them of krs237.106, they asked if you kept a gun in your vehicle, and
    suddenly you were fired, I do believe you would win this in court. Do not let them do this! It time employers realize they must abide by the law. I do hope you were recording being as you knew things would happen once you showed them the law. Your also gay, you can bring workplace discrimination into it, being gay is a protected class in Ky.

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    I don't think homosexuality is a protected class. I do hope you pursue this to some degree. Thanks for standing up for what is right, Drake! By the way, I think they I hiring for custodial work at McNabb Middle School there in Mt. Sterling.

    Let's try to hook Drake up with a new job! In the meantime, it would be good for all of us to put the pressure on this company for their illegal maneuvers. It may not be prudent to reference this specific incident, but rather their company policy.

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    Well I will say you do have a fighting chance as they terminated you wrongfully. The fact after a day and a half they said you had poor work performance is a load of BS. You can't tell after less than 2 days to terminate someone for a so called poor performance. The fact they let you go after you showed them the law and how your legally allowed to have a firearm in your car states they did not like you. I would indeed speak to a lawyer and spill out the information that you just spoke of. The fact they don't have a valid reason to terminate you when you haven't had a proper week to work there means they didn't like be proven wrong. The fact you challenged there policy and figure people would be stupid, they took offense to some logic and common sense. If I were you I would call them up and demand your records there for the time you worked for the so called poor work performance. I really wish we all could jump in there and hassle the company, but I don't think it be very smart for all of us to get involved in a A to B situation.
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