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    Anyone in West Haven have any permit issues?

    Curious if anyone here is from West Haven and has had any permit issues.

    Working on a project and am stuck on West Haven.

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    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    A few years ago, a few of us were harassed for concealed carrying.
    We got pulled over for being on our motorcycles. We weren't to loud or a nuisance, it was just part of the motorcycle break down they called it. Apparently to many problems with people on motorcycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KIX View Post
    Curious if anyone here is from West Haven and has had any permit issues.

    Working on a project and am stuck on West Haven.

    Jonathan
    Waiting on my permit since 2/15. Spoke to a recent permit holder and it took 2 months (8 weeks). 12/11-2/12
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    Thanx.

    This is all for some proposed legislation going on at the capital and some work I'm doing there.

    IH8SPM, how was your interview process? Were you asked for extra information and such?

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IH8SPM View Post
    Waiting on my permit since 2/15. Spoke to a recent permit holder and it took 2 months (8 weeks). 12/11-2/12
    Keep an eye on your dates, it is entirely possible that you are already due for an appeal.
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    I applied on 2/15, its only been three weeks. My friends took almost two months.


    They asked for 3 letters of reference non specific. A bill of some sort and basic identity info on a separate department made form. I would say other than the limited finger printing hours it was smooth for me. I have also sent for the Florida license forms as well since I travel there alot. Their license also has other travel value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IH8SPM View Post
    I applied on 2/15, its only been three weeks.
    They have 5 days to send to SPBI, 1 week to issue it once the FBI report is back. 3 weeks is more than enough time to be rigorously checking on the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IH8SPM View Post


    They asked for 3 letters of reference non specific.
    They cannot demand 3 letters of reference. Tell them to pound sand for those.

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    1. 2/15 submitted paperwork to pd
    2. 3/12 FBI received prints and sent back to PD on 3/13.
    3. 3/15 SPBI received prints and processed??????

    I know based on some missed deadlines I can appeal, but if the Pd issues the temp before the hearing I need to cancel my appeal. My question is why bother filing? Is there a record kept on filed appeals that get resolved? Other than securing a place in line what is the true benefit. Clearly the fbi has no backlog and spbi doesn't either. The real culprits are the local pd's. What can be done about the local towns dragging their feet without having them harass you afterwards.

    Rich thanks for your advice and Jonathan thanks for asking about WH. I will scan the additional requested items and email them to ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IH8SPM View Post
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    1. 2/15 submitted paperwork to pd
    2. 3/12 FBI received prints and sent back to PD on 3/13.
    3. 3/15 SPBI received prints and processed??????

    I know based on some missed deadlines I can appeal, but if the Pd issues the temp before the hearing I need to cancel my appeal. My question is why bother filing? Is there a record kept on filed appeals that get resolved? Other than securing a place in line what is the true benefit. Clearly the fbi has no backlog and spbi doesn't either. The real culprits are the local pd's. What can be done about the local towns dragging their feet without having them harass you afterwards.

    Rich thanks for your advice and Jonathan thanks for asking about WH. I will scan the additional requested items and email them to ya.
    the timelines useable for an appeal are:
    date fingerprinted and app submitted - date PD sends prints to SPBI (5 days max)
    date SPBI sends your background check to PD - date PD calls you with approval/denial (1 week max)
    date fingerprinted and app submitted - call/letter from PD of approval/denial or reason for delay (8 weeks max)

    so the dates you listed above dont apply, there's no reason to be able to appeal yet. there is no timeline for how long before FBI gets your stuff
    the in between parts: DPS processing prints and sending to FBI, fbi processing prints, DPS receiving background check from FBI and sending to PD. these things are not timelined, as long as the entire process takes 8 weeks or less
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    Quote Originally Posted by IH8SPM View Post
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    1. 2/15 submitted paperwork to pd
    2. 3/12 FBI received prints and sent back to PD on 3/13.
    3. 3/15 SPBI received prints and processed??????

    I know based on some missed deadlines I can appeal, but if the Pd issues the temp before the hearing I need to cancel my appeal. My question is why bother filing? Is there a record kept on filed appeals that get resolved? Other than securing a place in line what is the true benefit. Clearly the fbi has no backlog and spbi doesn't either. The real culprits are the local pd's. What can be done about the local towns dragging their feet without having them harass you afterwards.

    Rich thanks for your advice and Jonathan thanks for asking about WH. I will scan the additional requested items and email them to ya.
    If the National (FBI) background check was received back on 3/13 at the local PD, you should have an appeal in. Yes, if they issue the temp, you will need to withdraw your appeal. The only other question is whether you not only filed your appeal letter, but if you supplied the questionnaire you were supposed to fill out as well.

    I don't understand where there is an issue from there. Not appealing is silly and foolish, people that advise you don't appeal don't understand the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IH8SPM View Post
    2. 3/12 FBI received prints and sent back to PD on 3/13.
    this is the part that is confusing. the FBI doesnt send the results to the PD. The FBI sends the results to DPS, who then has to process it and then forward it on to the PD. isn't this where the 1080 backlog happened previously?
    I think IH8SPM meant the FBI processed his prints and sent the results back to DPS on 3/13. which would mean it could still be a few weeks or more before the PD gets it, or they may have already gotten it. but the timeline for appeal is for 1 week from when the PD gets the results from DPS, no? hence why I was saying there's no grounds for appeal, yet. it's just an assumption though, interpreting what he posted

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoxmann View Post
    The FBI sends the results to DPS, who then has to process it and then forward it on to the PD. isn't this where the 1080 backlog happened previously?
    Yes.

    SPBI sends fingerprints to FBI, FBI's automated system returns them to SPBI (usually within 48 hours), and SPBI sends them back to PD.
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    April 15th is the my hopeful due date. I'll keep everyone posted. In the meantime I will send my Florida paper work out tomorrow. Chance are Florida's will be here first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich B View Post
    Yes.

    SPBI sends fingerprints to FBI, FBI's automated system returns them to SPBI (usually within 48 hours), and SPBI sends them back to PD.
    I think there is an option for some of the more "updated" towns to have the prints sent to them directly if they have a certain type of FBI connected printer.

    Don't recall if I heard this at the Legislative Office Building last week or what.

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IH8SPM View Post
    April 15th is the my hopeful due date. I'll keep everyone posted. In the meantime I will send my Florida paper work out tomorrow. Chance are Florida's will be here first.
    Well no CT permit yet but Florida permit is almost back. I spoke to a very nice lady who told me to call her back on the 4/26 if it's not in my hand by then. She went on to say that would have been plenty of time to process. FYI Florida processed 50000++ permits last month. I also love the tracking number on the application.

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    Still going on, huh?

    My initial request for North Haven was so I can let a representative know the problems his constituents were having.

    Good news, we made it past that part. What happens now..... is still up in the air.

    CT's legislative process is indeed not for the timid.

    Good luck!

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    To top it off another citizen from Trumbull already has their permit in hand. He apparently applied 2 weeks before me but he states it only took 6 weeks. Funny thing is in the almost 8 weeks I have been on this forum everyone who has complained has gotten theirs and signed off. I thought forums were supported by the members?

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    Some come and go. But there are "die hards" from various groups that will still be here and help/support.

    Rich's "CT Carrry" is one.
    My "ctpistolpermitissues.com" is another.

    I can't speak for Rich's group, but I have volunteers throughout the state that have helped me get paperwork and research to help out.

    There are plenty of us, just many aren't as verbal as some.

    I'm NOT very good at biting my tongue.

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IH8SPM View Post
    To top it off another citizen from Trumbull already has their permit in hand. He apparently applied 2 weeks before me but he states it only took 6 weeks. Funny thing is in the almost 8 weeks I have been on this forum everyone who has complained has gotten theirs and signed off. I thought forums were supported by the members?
    WELL today marks 8 weeks since I dropped off my application to be permitted to a right to carry. I called and some civilian informed me it could take a while even upto a year because the application goes to slot places. What bs. When I said I already called Middletown and the FBI she said to call back next week if I don't hear anything. I going to look at filing an appeal.
    I guess west haven is part of the we don't know the states group. I was almost certain this was going to happen from the day I applied.

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    Judging by the response, you'll get your permit, via appeal, long before they would've ever even made a decision.

    I'd contact your representative (Dargan) and let him know of the issues you, as a constituent, are having. This is EXACTLY what he needs to hear as he sits on a committee that is very important to gun owners. He co-chairs the public safety committee.

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    Rich B: My favorite argument against OC being legal in CT is "I have never seen someone OC in CT".
    I have never seen a person drink tea from a coke bottle while standing on their head, that doesn't mean it is illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KIX View Post
    Judging by the response, you'll get your permit, via appeal, long before they would've ever even made a decision.

    I'd contact your representative (Dargan) and let him know of the issues you, as a constituent, are having. This is EXACTLY what he needs to hear as he sits on a committee that is very important to gun owners. He co-chairs the public safety committee.

    Jonathan
    I will calling him first thing in the morning.
    Last edited by IH8SPM; 04-17-2012 at 06:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IH8SPM View Post
    WELL today marks 8 weeks since I dropped off my application to be permitted to a right to carry. I called and some civilian informed me it could take a while even upto a year because the application goes to slot places. What bs. When I said I already called Middletown and the FBI she said to call back next week if I don't hear anything. I going to look at filing an appeal.
    I guess west haven is part of the we don't know the states group. I was almost certain this was going to happen from the day I applied.
    Have you emailed me your information yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IH8SPM View Post
    I will calling him first thing in the morning.
    Left him a message at the west haven office.
    Last edited by IH8SPM; 04-17-2012 at 06:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich B View Post
    Yes.

    SPBI sends fingerprints to FBI, FBI's automated system returns them to SPBI (usually within 48 hours), and SPBI sends them back to PD.
    Update
    Spoke to SPBI today and my prints were returned on 3/15 to WHPD. FYI the male supervisor that was working there has been reassigned and everyone seems to be very helpful again. So the local PD is holding up the process since I also spoke to fingerprinting and she (hard to pronounce name) said they are all caught up. Good news I guess for new applicants?? Still sucks for me.

    Rich
    Thanks and sorry about the half emails phone has been on the brinks today.

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