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    Friends of NRA dinner and OC and NVFAC

    So I emailed the guy in charge of this Mike Davis a few days ago asking if the place would be OC friendly. I have not heard back. Yet a friend of mine TODAY emailed and asked about buying tickets for a group and he received his answer in about 2 hours. The NVFAC has been pushing going to these dinners thats how I found out about it. I also posted the same OC question in the NVFAC forum about the diinner. No answer there either. I hope my thoughts are wrong but it seems that the NRA is ignoring my question. If I can get my friend to send me the response I will post it. He said it dealt with mostly hunting and sport no mention of rights or self defense awareness.

    Contact info for the NRA rep if anyone wishes.


    Mike Davis
    Field Representative, So CA & So NV
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    13681 Newport Ave #8-618
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    714.368.0451 voice
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    mdavis@nrahq.org
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegassteve View Post
    So I emailed the guy in charge of this Mike Davis a few days ago asking if the place would be OC friendly. I have not heard back. Yet a friend of mine TODAY emailed and asked about buying tickets for a group and he received his answer in about 2 hours. The NVFAC has been pushing going to these dinners thats how I found out about it. I also posted the same OC question in the NVFAC forum about the diinner. No answer there either. I hope my thoughts are wrong but it seems that the NRA is ignoring my question. If I can get my friend to send me the response I will post it. He said it dealt with mostly hunting and sport no mention of rights or self defense awareness.

    Contact info for the NRA rep if anyone wishes.


    Mike Davis
    Field Representative, So CA & So NV
    National Rifle Association
    13681 Newport Ave #8-618
    Tustin, CA 92780
    714.368.0451 voice
    714.368.7609 fax
    mdavis@nrahq.org
    www.friendsofnra.org
    I have sent Mr Davis a few e-mails myself. In one e-mail I said by the lack of communication from the NRA many of the open carry NRA members feel as if we have become a bastard child to the NRA, do you (Mr. Davis) have any input on that. I also asked if for sure he was our area rep. I wanted a firm yes; he never answered the rep question. As far as his input to the bastard child question, he said I needed to go to the NRA ILA web page and take it up with them. I have not done that yet. Really wanted info from him not NRA ILA.

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    It's not mentioned in this thread, but the event is being held at the Santa Fe Station Hotel. I'm doing some research on their policies.

    Friends of NRA is operated (purposely) separately from the NRA. It is likely they won't think of some of the contract provisions that the NRA insisted on when we had the grassroots organization meeting at Stoney's instead of the Silverton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post
    It's not mentioned in this thread, but the event is being held at the Santa Fe Station Hotel. I'm doing some research on their policies.

    Friends of NRA is operated (purposely) separately from the NRA. It is likely they won't think of some of the contract provisions that the NRA insisted on when we had the grassroots organization meeting at Stoney's instead of the Silverton.
    I am going on a limb here and say santa fe is not going to want OC. My question is this. Why is a NRA field rep the contact point and also a ticket seller? They sure seem to be the same.

    Being separate or not should not be a issue to at least respond to the question. He was awful quick to respond when a question about money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegassteve View Post
    I am going on a limb here and say santa fe is not going to want OC. My question is this. Why is a NRA field rep the contact point and also a ticket seller? They sure seem to be the same.

    Being separate or not should not be a issue to at least respond to the question. He was awful quick to respond when a question about money.
    I'm thinking the same about the Sante Fe. In fact, I might ASSume the Santa Fe would not allow CCW if they knew about it; I'm still waiting for an answer from a contact there. Many times, these events are oddly not planned with places that actually respect us! If OC is not allowed, I will not attend.

    When I was involved in Friends of NRA many years ago, everything was handled by a local volunteer. The NRA rep was only a liaison between that head volunteer and the NRA. I don't know how things are now, or if they are lacking in the local leadership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAC702 View Post

    When I was involved in Friends of NRA many years ago, everything was handled by a local volunteer. The NRA rep was only a liaison between that head volunteer and the NRA. I don't know how things are now, or if they are lacking in the local leadership.
    Doesnt seem that way now. At least from this fellows contact info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 28kfps View Post
    I have sent Mr Davis a few e-mails myself. In one e-mail I said by the lack of communication from the NRA many of the open carry NRA members feel as if we have become a bastard child to the NRA
    "Become" . . ?

    When have OCers been anything ELSE?

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    It would seem to me that the best thing the NVFAC could do at this point is pick a problem, no matter how small, on the behalf of NV gun owners, and solve it. Put a check in the WIN column. As we all know from discussions on this forum there is a long list of items we would like to see visited by our state organization. Getting the ball rolling and showing some progress would go a long way toward increasing the membership and giving us clout to go after the bigger concerns.

    It was my understanding that the first thing that was going to happen was working with NLV on their illegal local ordinance. I think there was some initial contact with future meetings pending, but nothing else has been said. Using modern vernacular "whaz up wid dat?"


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Guy View Post
    It would seem to me that the best thing the NVFAC could do at this point is pick a problem, no matter how small, on the behalf of NV gun owners, and solve it. Put a check in the WIN column.
    According to the NRA, they are "the STATE ASSOCIATION for the shooting sports." I dunno about you, but to me that says they're a gun club. There's nothing wrong with being a gun club, unless they claim to be things that they are NOT.

    What we need is a "state association" for the CIVIL RIGHTS of gun owners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    According to the NRA, they are "the STATE ASSOCIATION for the shooting sports." I dunno about you, but to me that says they're a gun club. There's nothing wrong with being a gun club, unless they claim to be things that they are NOT.

    What we need is a "state association" for the CIVIL RIGHTS of gun owners.
    Then get on with it already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    Then get on with it already.
    If I had the time, I would do so.

    Since a lot of people seem to have time for a "state association for the shooting sports," maybe some of THEM would have the time -- if they weren't suckered into believing that the NVFAC was in fact such a group.

    But thank you for at last acknowledging that it isn't. Took you long enough to admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    If I had the time, I would do so.

    Since a lot of people seem to have time for a "state association for the shooting sports," maybe some of THEM would have the time -- if they weren't suckered into believing that the NVFAC was in fact such a group.

    But thank you for at last acknowledging that it isn't. Took you long enough to admit it.
    I never gave such acknowledgement.


    If you aren't willing to waste your time doing what you think needs done, you have no right to complain about what othere are or aren't doing. Carping from the sidelines isn't helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    I never gave such acknowledgement.
    Whatever.

    If you aren't willing to waste your time doing what you think needs done, you have no right to complain about what othere are or aren't doing. Carping from the sidelines isn't helpful.
    It's not a matter of "wasting" time. I simply don't have it right now. Haven't you noticed how little time I get to spend online these days? I do not have the time to start an organization to do what NVFAC supporters said that group would be doing.

    However, I DO have the right to complain about what others are not doing, when those others claim to BE doing something. It's not "carping" when I point out that the Emperor has no clothes.

    Once again, I point out that if NVFAC actually DID do something of value, I would be happy to join in the praise. Instead of complaining that I'm not cheering, why don't you do something deserving of cheers? This isn't the Special Olympics, you don't get a medal just for showing up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    Whatever.



    It's not a matter of "wasting" time. I simply don't have it right now. Haven't you noticed how little time I get to spend online these days? I do not have the time to start an organization to do what NVFAC supporters said that group would be doing.

    However, I DO have the right to complain about what others are not doing, when those others claim to BE doing something. It's not "carping" when I point out that the Emperor has no clothes.

    Once again, I point out that if NVFAC actually DID do something of value, I would be happy to join in the praise. Instead of complaining that I'm not cheering, why don't you do something deserving of cheers? This isn't the Special Olympics, you don't get a medal just for showing up.
    If you don't have that much time to spend online, then you ARE 'wasting' that time when you complain instead of help.

    Why don't you do something deserving of cheers?

    I haven't been complaining that you aren't cheering, I am pointing out that instead of doing something deserving of cheers, you are jeering at others who are actually working towards goals.

    When your ONLY efforts are to badmouth other groups on your side, you are part of the problem. Either become part of a solution, or simply get out of the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    Why don't you do something deserving of cheers?
    I got concealed carry for Arizonans.

    Most people (at least in Arizona) consider that deserving of a cheer or two.

    So . . .

    . . .just what has NVFAC done over the last few months, with its NRA affiliation, all of its members, the money, and the political and media contacts enjoyed by various of its leadership . . ?

    I mean, OTHER than asking for more money, and arranging for dinner . . ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    I got concealed carry for Arizonans.
    We are talking about Nevada.

    When the only thing you are doing is badmouthing those on your side, you are part of the problem. Resting on your laurels doesn't work for the future. All it does, is show that you are incapable of doing anything except pat yourself on the back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    We are talking about Nevada.
    To be more precise, we are talking about "the STATE ASSOCIATION for the shooting sports," and the fact that all they've done so far is ask for money and schedule a dinner.

    Neither of which seems to be on the list of their "Purpose and Objectives" (http://www.nvfac.org/purpose-and-objectives.html) . . .

    But I DO love their claim that "For too long NV shooters have not been a presence in Carson City, or in our local cities and counties and have relied on the NRA-ILA." I noticed no lack of "presence in Carson City," when a bunch of people drove through a blizzard to attend that meeting, and can't think of anything that I've heard of NRA-ILA doing in Nevada.

    Meanwhile, Gura has won yet another case, while the NRA called in sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    To be more precise, we are talking about "the STATE ASSOCIATION for the shooting sports," and the fact that all they've done so far is ask for money and schedule a dinner.
    No, that is what you have chosen to whine about, as opposed to doing something constructive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    But I DO love their claim that "For too long NV shooters have not been a presence in Carson City, or in our local cities and counties and have relied on the NRA-ILA." I noticed no lack of "presence in Carson City," when a bunch of people drove through a blizzard to attend that meeting, and can't think of anything that I've heard of NRA-ILA doing in Nevada.

    Meanwhile, Gura has won yet another case, while the NRA called in sick.
    So, what blizzard do you refer to?

    And, if you haven't heard of NRA-ILA doing anything in Nevada, you haven't been listening, and nothing anyone else says will alter your twisted view of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    When the only thing you are doing is badmouthing those on your side, you are part of the problem.
    When the only thing "those on my side" are doing is saying that they are on my side, the problem is far deeper than whether or not I comment on their lack of action.

    Resting on your laurels doesn't work for the future. All it does, is show that you are incapable of doing anything except pat yourself on the back.
    Thanks for the chuckle. You claim that I am "resting on my laurels," while condemning me for not paying homage to a club which has no laurels to rest on, refuses to offer any plan for the future other than deciding what's for dinner, yet is patting itself on the back so hard you can hear vertebrae rattle.

    BTW, the reason I have little time to play online is because I'm NOT resting on my laurels, and am busy working on the future. Unfortunately, it's in a field of endeavor not directly related to either civil rights or dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    When the only thing "those on my side" are doing is saying that they are on my side, the problem is far deeper than whether or not I comment on their lack of action.
    No, the only thing you can say with validity is that your perception is that it is such.
    The true problem is that you desire to badmouth other organizations, as opposed to becoming part of the solution.

    Either you are 'with,' or 'against.' Right now, you are showing you are fully against, as the ONLY time you spend is in badmouthing other groups, instead of working towards solutions. Waste your precious time on solutions instead of on empty complaints.





    Quote Originally Posted by DVC
    Thanks for the chuckle. You claim that I am "resting on my laurels," while condemning me for not paying homage to a club which has no laurels to rest on, refuses to offer any plan for the future other than deciding what's for dinner, yet is patting itself on the back so hard you can hear vertebrae rattle.
    Once again you misrepresent my statements.
    I do not condemn you for not paying homage. I condemn you for only whining.




    Quote Originally Posted by DVC
    BTW, the reason I have little time to play online is because I'm NOT resting on my laurels, and am busy working on the future. Unfortunately, it's in a field of endeavor not directly related to either civil rights or dinner.
    Then you don't have a dog in this fight any more. In this realm, you are 'resting on your laurels,' and badmouthing others. That is a waste of your time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    So, what blizzard do you refer to?
    You don't remember the storm that hit when the Legislature was having the hearing on CCW? Pro-civil-rights voters filled the room, except for the one guy who argued against it and the Sheriff's Association guy.

    And, if you haven't heard of NRA-ILA doing anything in Nevada, you haven't been listening, and nothing anyone else says will alter your twisted view of things.
    Then I guess I haven't been listening. Since you apparently have, it should thus be easy for you to list their three biggest activities of the last two years or so. Show me where I'm wrong. Especially show me where there has been "no presence in Carson City" or where shooters in Nevada have "relied on the NRA-ILA." Until I read those two claims on the front page of the NVFAC website, I had seen no sign that either was true, so please tell me which Legslature hearings were unattended by shooters, and who you have heard say that they rely on NRA-ILA to get anything done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    The true problem is that you desire to badmouth other organizations, as opposed to becoming part of the solution.
    I only badmouth organizations which claim a role that they choose not to fill.

    Flat out: In YOUR mind, is NVFAC a civil-rights group or a shooting-sports group? If you believe it to be a civil-rights group, what can you offer as proof that you are correct? If you believe it to be a shooting-sports group, then how do you account for their claims to be otherwise?

    Consider your answer carefully, in light of the original question which started this thread -- and ask yourself why there is any ROOM to ask whether the NRA dinner is OC-friendly. There should be no more question about this than about whether you can bring an airplane to an Experimental Aircraft Association fly-in.

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    Can you guys take this ******* match private or to the NVFAC thread? This thread is about putting some pressure on the NVFAC and the NRA and find out if they are hearing us about this one issue at this one time. Use your email and phones and try to get some answers from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    I only badmouth organizations which claim a role that they choose not to fill.
    Like I said, you are resting on your laurels, instead of working towards solutions.

    Your obvious biases make rational discussion impossible.


    "Lead, Follow, or Get out of the way."

    Right now, you aren't leading or following, but you ARE getting in the way.

    Your inability to find information does not mean nothing is happening.
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