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WA Disabled Passes

MSG Laigaie

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My Sweet Baboo and I are both DAVs and both have WADAV passes. And yes, the park is always an OC event. Thanks Washington, we appreciate it.
 

amlevin

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For all those that have legitimate cause for a "Handicap Permit" the following rant does not apply.

For some reason there are far too many out there that have them that certainly don't display ANY of the required conditions to obtain and use them. In many cases they are using these "mirror hangars" to just get free parking in Seattle or so they don't have to go looking for a parking spot at Walmart.

For those who are abusing them they should get far more than a fine. Maybe a little jail time and be required to park in the farthest spot from the front door of any business.

I worked a part time job after retirement along with no less than three individuals that had permanent handicap plates on their vehicles. The requirements of the job they held involved heavy lifting and walking long distances. Far more activity than the threshold limits for a permit. So who's checking up on them and the Dr's that are signing off?

BTW, I OC frequently now in parks and park in the regular stalls so those who need the restricted ones are able to without delay.
 

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For all those that have legitimate cause for a "Handicap Permit" the following rant does not apply.

For some reason there are far too many out there that have them that certainly don't display ANY of the required conditions to obtain and use them. In many cases they are using these "mirror hangars" to just get free parking in Seattle or so they don't have to go looking for a parking spot at Walmart.

For those who are abusing them they should get far more than a fine. Maybe a little jail time and be required to park in the farthest spot from the front door of any business.

I worked a part time job after retirement along with no less than three individuals that had permanent handicap plates on their vehicles. The requirements of the job they held involved heavy lifting and walking long distances. Far more activity than the threshold limits for a permit. So who's checking up on them and the Dr's that are signing off?

BTW, I OC frequently now in parks and park in the regular stalls so those who need the restricted ones are able to without delay.

If the government didn't require handicapped parking spaces, then the passes could not be abused.
 

golddigger14s

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Just a note for those that qualify there is also the Access Pass for National facilities. http://www.fws.gov/Nisqually/fees.html#access

Also about "handicap" plates I do agree the system is abused.

Disabled vet plates do not qualify to use HC parking, yet requires 100% disability to qualify?

Here is an excerpt from the WA DOL for HC plates:
Requirements
A licensed physician, licensed physician assistant, or licensed registered nurse practitioner must determine if you qualify for disabled parking privileges.

Types of conditions that qualify
You may receive disabled parking privileges if you have a disability that meets at least 1 of the following criteria:

You can’t walk 200 feet without stopping to rest.
Your ability to walk is severely limited due to an arthritic, neurological, or orthopedic condition.
You’re so severely disabled that you can’t walk without the use of or assistance from a brace, cane, another person, prosthetic device, wheelchair, or other assistive device.
You use portable oxygen.
You’re restricted by lung disease to such an extent that forced expiratory respiratory volume when measured by spirometry is less than 1 liter/second or the arterial oxygen tension is less than 60 mm/hg on room air at rest.
You’re impaired by cardiovascular disease or cardiac condition to the extent that your functional limitations are classified as Class III or IV under standards accepted by the American Heart Association.
You have a disability resulting from an acute sensitivity to automobile emissions which limits or impairs your ability to walk. Your physician, physician assistant, or advanced registered nurse practitioner must document that the disability is comparable in severity to the others listed above.
You’re legally blind and have limited mobility.
You have acute sensitivity to light associated with a form of porphyria that would significantly benefit from a decrease in exposure to light. Porphyria refers to a group of inheritable metabolic disorders in which exposure to light can result in burning, blistering, swelling, and scarring of the skin.

If you qualify for it, you deserve to get the parking privalage.
 

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If they weren't required by government then they wouldn't be there for those who NEED them. A coin with two sides, definitely.

Really?

You mean a shopping mall or grocery store would not see the marketing value in creating their own handicapped parking stalls? (voluntarily)

You generally don't solve problems via government intrusion and more laws -- or more taxes, which is what that pass is. Able bodied people are paying for the passes of the 'disabled.' (just the "gov approved" disabled of course)
 
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amlevin

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Really?

You mean a shopping mall or grocery store would not see the marketing value in creating their own handicapped parking stalls? (voluntarily)

You generally don't solve problems via government intrusion and more laws -- or more taxes, which is what that pass is. Able bodied people are paying for the passes of the 'disabled.' (just the "gov approved" disabled of course)

Having been in a position where I oversaw development for a National Firm I can say Yes! Yes they wouldn't see the value. Considering that every handicap space requires almost twice the area of a regular space, and that land has to be purchased, the tightwads would not voluntarily supply them. Likewise the handicap restrooms. It costs on average $8,000 to $10,000 for the handicap restrooms due to the extra space and special equipment. Every set of plans I submitted, along with the handicapped related expense resulted in a "WTF are we doing that for" from "Upper Management".

If it wasn't illegal for non handicapped to park in the spaces that are provided, in many establishments the Manager would just use it for his personal parking place. As it is, they just park in the first space beyond the handicapped ones (or diagonal across two stalls so they don't get their car scratched).

I don't mind the handicap accommodations and don't mind the extra expense. I spent a year in a wheelchair or on crutches. YOU try getting around when you have to climb stairs with either. You try to use a restroom that doesn't have any more room than just a non-disabled person's Knees in front of the "throne". Or a sink that you can't get close enough to to reach the faucets. I've been there.

Sometimes it DOES take Government intrusion because businesses tend to be selfish and can't see the benefits associated with the handicapped accommodations on their own.
 

sudden valley gunner

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Having been in a position where I oversaw development for a National Firm I can say Yes! Yes they wouldn't see the value. Considering that every handicap space requires almost twice the area of a regular space, and that land has to be purchased, the tightwads would not voluntarily supply them. Likewise the handicap restrooms. It costs on average $8,000 to $10,000 for the handicap restrooms due to the extra space and special equipment. Every set of plans I submitted, along with the handicapped related expense resulted in a "WTF are we doing that for" from "Upper Management".

If it wasn't illegal for non handicapped to park in the spaces that are provided, in many establishments the Manager would just use it for his personal parking place. As it is, they just park in the first space beyond the handicapped ones (or diagonal across two stalls so they don't get their car scratched).

I don't mind the handicap accommodations and don't mind the extra expense. I spent a year in a wheelchair or on crutches. YOU try getting around when you have to climb stairs with either. You try to use a restroom that doesn't have any more room than just a non-disabled person's Knees in front of the "throne". Or a sink that you can't get close enough to to reach the faucets. I've been there.

Sometimes it DOES take Government intrusion because businesses tend to be selfish and can't see the benefits associated with the handicapped accommodations on their own.

I can see it for public utilities but the government needs to but out of private affairs.

Its called a taking without compensation. Just because your firm doesn't care doesn't mean other companies wouldn't.

Life isn't fair we don't need government socialism to make it fair.....
 

sudden valley gunner

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Compassion cannot be legislated.:banghead:

Damn right!
Compassion comes by free will not force.

Now I don't have a problem with state facilities putting aside a small percentage for handicap folks such as parks and public restrooms meet hand cap requirements.

Did you know that New York has a public urination problem yet when a company came up with a solution they were struck down because of ADA laws.
 

ManInBlack

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Damn right!
Compassion comes by free will not force.

Now I don't have a problem with state facilities putting aside a small percentage for handicap folks such as parks and public restrooms meet hand cap requirements.

Did you know that New York has a public urination problem yet when a company came up with a solution they were struck down because of ADA laws.

This.

Although, I would argue that most of the state facilities could be either eliminated or privatized.

Any arbitrary government requirement that a private business designate any portion of its premises for a specific purpose is immoral, unconstitutional, and represents a deprivation of property rights.
 

Jayd1981

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I have both my WA parks and National Disabled Veterans pass. They are great programs and make it very affordable to go camping at some great sites. With WA if you have a VA rating of 30% or more you automatically qualify, the National pass is done by the issueing persons judgement. Although I walked in with my paperwork and they took one look and gave me the pass. Just by looking at me, you would not know I was VA disabled, but it ended my military career none the less.
 

sudden valley gunner

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This.

Although, I would argue that most of the state facilities could be either eliminated or privatized.

Any arbitrary government requirement that a private business designate any portion of its premises for a specific purpose is immoral, unconstitutional, and represents a deprivation of property rights.

I would argue the same thing. :cool:
 

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Having been in a position where I oversaw development for a National Firm I can say Yes! Yes they wouldn't see the value. Considering that every handicap space requires almost twice the area of a regular space, and that land has to be purchased, the tightwads would not voluntarily supply them. Likewise the handicap restrooms. It costs on average $8,000 to $10,000 for the handicap restrooms due to the extra space and special equipment. Every set of plans I submitted, along with the handicapped related expense resulted in a "WTF are we doing that for" from "Upper Management".

If it wasn't illegal for non handicapped to park in the spaces that are provided, in many establishments the Manager would just use it for his personal parking place. As it is, they just park in the first space beyond the handicapped ones (or diagonal across two stalls so they don't get their car scratched).

I don't mind the handicap accommodations and don't mind the extra expense. I spent a year in a wheelchair or on crutches. YOU try getting around when you have to climb stairs with either. You try to use a restroom that doesn't have any more room than just a non-disabled person's Knees in front of the "throne". Or a sink that you can't get close enough to to reach the faucets. I've been there.

Sometimes it DOES take Government intrusion because businesses tend to be selfish and can't see the benefits associated with the handicapped accommodations on their own.

Gee, the free market has provided 'mommy' spaces (for new moms and expectant moms). So I disagree. If there is a demand -- if there's a free market value -- then the market WILL supply it.
 
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Dave_pro2a

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Compassion cannot be legislated.:banghead:

When everything is done via Government mandate: individuals and companies live down to the minimum requirements.

Remove the mandate, and suddenly people will start performing at higher levels, and will get creative to provide consumer friendly services and gain market share,
 

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This is not On Topic at all. If you posted the full menu of your favorite eatery, and then mentioned at the end, "Oh, I always OC there" would that be on topic? Of course not.
 

golddigger14s

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My apologies for trying to help our members out. Is this any more OT than a lot of the stuff posted here? I suggested awhile back that the WA forum (and all state forums) have a permanent general topic thread for non-OC stuff. There is a lot of benificial info for members, but state specific that doesn't need to go to the overall general/social thread.
 
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