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    IWB problems?

    Has anyone had any issues with open carrying with a IWB holster?

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    I wouldn't do it simply because most IWB holsters don't have any sort of active retention. The one I have is just a simple open top suede holster with a kydex clip for my belt. But if your flavor of IWB holster has a thumb break or something like that, I think it would be satisfactory-if a little more uncomfortable than OWB

    edit: we may also want to move this thread to the holster & accessories forum.
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    I have never had issues personally although some cop on a power trip might try to charge you with carrying concealed (should be easy to beat since would have to have seen it which means it wasn't concealed, could be a hassle none-the-less.

    My biggest concern and the reason I don't open carry with my Crossbreek Supertuck IWB is that is has no retention. For OC I use my Serpa Blackhawk with level-2 retention.

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    I apologize sovereign for not being specific. I was asking if anybody has ever had issues from the law enforcement in any form. Like in a scenario Greg is speaking of.

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    ah well in that case it does belong here and I've no experience in KY. carry on.
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    Totally my fault due to lack of clarity.

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    Ive carried IWB before with no problems.

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    I'd say it's pretty close on the line, I don't know that I would trust it myself.

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    Open carry is a constitutionally protected right in Ky, why try and push the issue? There is no need to have half of your firearm hidden by your pants. Buy a blackhawk serpa or a good leather rig with a thumb-break and carry proudly. There is no need for you to chance getting charged for carrying a concealed weapon. Doing so could cost you your freedom for a few days or longer and a great deal of money obtaining a lawyer and fighting the charges. Until you obtain your cdwl, keep your firearm in plain view and you will be fine! Make sure you know the law and case law on OC in Ky, and carry on!!

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    I carry IWB alot. The same amount of my weapon shows whether it is OWB or IWB. OWB you just see the holster. I have never had a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KYKevin View Post
    I carry IWB alot. The same amount of my weapon shows whether it is OWB or IWB. OWB you just see the holster. I have never had a problem.

    Thanks Kevin that helps especially since you are from Owensboro as well.

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    I carry more IWB than OWB. Never had a problem or questioned.
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    Please remember this is an INTERNET forum, and to not take everything you hear as law or truth. Just because one person gets by without problems, doesn't mean you will. If you wind up in cuffs and try telling the officer the guys on the Internet said it would be fine, your still going to jail. I know to well how certain LEOs can be, and a great many of them do not like that we can carry a firearm. They believe they are above us, and can arrest and let the prosecutor decide to charge you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KYGlockster View Post
    Please remember this is an INTERNET forum, and to not take everything you hear as law or truth. Just because one person gets by without problems, doesn't mean you will. If you wind up in cuffs and try telling the officer the guys on the Internet said it would be fine, your still going to jail. I know to well how certain LEOs can be, and a great many of them do not like that we can carry a firearm. They believe they are above us, and can arrest and let the prosecutor decide to charge you.
    You are right, this is an internet forum. What we do is give our experience to others so that they may develop their own opinions. You are also correct , you can be arrested for anything, including carrying a handgun in an OWB holster. If anyone can find an arrest or conviction for concealed carry with an IWB holster, please post it.
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    I will ask my lawyer friend tomorrow and see what he thinks about the situation. Its not a major deal personally I can buy a owb, but I am curious about situation.

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    everyone is correct. I will repeat a part of my first post,"why push the issue?" OWB is much more comfortable to me than IWB, and if your "odds" go from 1 in 1,000,000 for OWB to 1 in 500,000 for IWB, that is a pretty large difference. I would not want to be the one who has to dish out thousands of dollars to decide if IWB is considered open or concealed carry. In my opinion it would be open, because part of the firearm is visible. But again I wouldn't want to spend the money to find out, when I could spend 30 or 40 bucks on a OWB and not have t worry about whether my choice of carry style is considered open or concealed. I dont care if you tuck your gun in your waistband and cover it with your shirt, that would be your choice, and you should be allowed. Just remember it only takes one time to lose a lot. Sure you risk being "arrested" everytime you carry a firearm without a permit, however being "charged" while carrying your firearm in plain view probably wont happen. They would have nothing to charge you with, and they would know it, however if part of your firearm is concealed, then the prosecutor "could" think he would win, and might charge you. And he would have a charge to throw at you, carrying a concealed deadly weapon. I'm done, it's your life and freedom, do what you wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KYKevin View Post
    I carry IWB alot. The same amount of my weapon shows whether it is OWB or IWB. OWB you just see the holster. I have never had a problem.
    The only way I can see it being a problem, is when a ninny reports that you just had it "shoved in his pants", half hidden. They don't know there's just as much holster as if it was OWB.

    There's also the perception and PR problem. We tell people that honest people wear their guns openly, but to the uninformed, IWB carry looks exactly like thug carry.

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    Get a concealed carry permit and then you won't have to worry about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    The only way I can see it being a problem, is when a ninny reports that you just had it "shoved in his pants", half hidden. They don't know there's just as much holster as if it was OWB.

    There's also the perception and PR problem. We tell people that honest people wear their guns openly, but to the uninformed, IWB carry looks exactly like thug carry.
    Most thugs carry concealed. IWB looks like IWB to me. You can see over an inch of my holster with my firearm. I have friends who are leos and they have no issue with the way that I carry. Heck I carry iwb in walmart and other stores and I don't even get a second glance from people. Most people in Kentucky know open carry is legal. So people rarely call in a MWAG. Only in places like louisville do a few people get hassled. In my opinion I don't think how you carry has ever really been a issue here except to people new to oc and want to know. When I IWB it is usually places a bit more formal like a funeral home or something. I do feel better OWB. But how I carry depends on the situation. Kentucky is a wonderful place to oc.

    Thug I think is a perception. Every time I have seen someone oc IWB I have never thought thug. Most people just think detective and go on about their business here. Again it is perception. And I don't live in fear of others perception of something.

    P.S. On the lawyer issue. No I am not a lawyer. But I am 50 years old and have some common sense on issues and don't feel I need to call a lawyer on everything. I don't live in fear that a cop is going to stop and hassle me. I don't carry a recorder. I have a couple of local friends who are cops and they ones I don't know have always been courteous when I have talked to them, and never have I even been asked about my weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BurgerBoy View Post
    Get a concealed carry permit and then you won't have to worry about it.
    I don't have a concealed carry permit and I don't worry about it now. I am glad I live in Kentucky.
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    We all speak of liberty and freedom like we are the only ones that know the truth and the right path. But if we expect everyone to accept and follow our path and to accept our truth and want to force it upon them then that is no longer liberty or freedom. It is slavery. I believe in liberty for all. Regardless of their political views, religion, race, sex, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    Well Kevin, you have certainly lived a charmed life. It is wonderful that you have never been hassled or bothered by a LEO. You must be doing everything right. I had never been hassled by a LEO until I was hassled by a LEO. There are only two types of people that OC, those that have been hassled by LEO and those that will be hassled by LEO. It amazes me that there are those that think just because it hasn't happened to them that it somehow means they are something special. It just means you have not run into one of the few LEO that like to exceed their authority or you haven't been in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong LEO. No matter how you dress, how you comb your hair, what after shave you wear or if you shined your shoes, that LEO is going to try to bully you. It's not about you and how you dress/look/smell it is about a LEO wanting to exert authority he thinks he should have, but he doesn't have. As far as "thug carry", I don't even know what that is. We all have the same rights. No matter if you work behind a desk and dress in a suit and tie or work with you hands at the dirtiest labor and get filthy, you have a right to protect yourself.
    Just want to simply say. I never have or did I intend to imply I am something special. No clue were you got that. And if I have lived a charmed life then I am not complaining. And if I am one of those who will be hassled in the future I am not gonna live my life in fear of it happening. Heck it could even happen tomorrow. I never meant to imply it never happens. I do go about my business every day as usual whether I am carrying or not. And I am happy that I have never been hassled. Well there was this one time. But it was an 8 year old kid who lived next to a friend of mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    Thugs/homeless people/unemployed/poor/dirty/immigrant/racial minority/poorly dressed have the same rights as anyone and how you carry your gun should not be an indicator of your rank in life. There is no law that says you can't stick your weapon in your waistband. Do I do it? Not often. Have I ever done it? You bet I have. To think that "the clothes make the man" or "I have buddies that are cops and they take care of me" is elitism. Is it OK with you if your "buddies" hassle some other gun owner that you and they don't know? We should be working for the rights of all gun owners, not just the well dressed, clean shaven, short haired, freshly bathed, shiney shoe, slim and fit, young, good looking, athletic gun owners who have cop buddies and who carry "our way". This is what some CC'ers do when they disparage us OC'ers. We are supposed to be about freedom and individual liberty. Freedom means freedom to do, look and be what we want to be, not be like others want us to be. IWB, OWB, pocket carry, shoulder holster, OC, CC its all the same, legal. We should support it all. We get to decide how we carry, not how everyone else should carry.
    I agree with the above completely. I was not speaking out against any of this. Only commenting on the other persons perception of thug carry as he called it. I could care less how any one dresses or carries. And to the matter of cop buddies taking care of me no they don't. One even gave me a speeding ticket once. I never impled that they take care of me nor do I expect them too. I only said that they had no issue with IWB. Having friends who are cops does not make one elitist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    I did not mean any of this to apply to you personally. I only used your post as an example of some of the things I object to. This has been on my mind for a long time and it just had to come out at some time. It just happened to come out after one of your posts. If that created a misconception on your part or offended you in any way I apologize for that. It was not my intention.
    No offense is taken. It is oftten hard to tell how someone means something in a text. I have read many of your posts and you and I agree on alot here. No need for an apology.
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    We all speak of liberty and freedom like we are the only ones that know the truth and the right path. But if we expect everyone to accept and follow our path and to accept our truth and want to force it upon them then that is no longer liberty or freedom. It is slavery. I believe in liberty for all. Regardless of their political views, religion, race, sex, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    Well Kevin, you have certainly lived a charmed life. It is wonderful that you have never been hassled or bothered by a LEO. You must be doing everything right. I had never been hassled by a LEO until I was hassled by a LEO. There are only two types of people that OC, those that have been hassled by LEO and those that will be hassled by LEO. It amazes me that there are those that think just because it hasn't happened to them that it somehow means they are something special. It just means you have not run into one of the few LEO that like to exceed their authority or you haven't been in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong LEO. No matter how you dress, how you comb your hair, what after shave you wear or if you shined your shoes, that LEO is going to try to bully you. It's not about you and how you dress/look/smell it is about a LEO wanting to exert authority he thinks he should have, but he doesn't have. As far as "thug carry", I don't even know what that is. We all have the same rights. No matter if you work behind a desk and dress in a suit and tie or work with you hands at the dirtiest labor and get filthy, you have a right to protect yourself. Thugs/homeless people/unemployed/poor/dirty/immigrant/racial minority/poorly dressed have the same rights as anyone
    and how you carry your gun should not be an indicator of your rank in life. There is no law that says you can't stick your weapon in your waistband. Do I do it? Not often. Have I ever done it? You bet I have. To think that "the clothes make the man" or "I have buddies that are cops and they take care of me" is elitism. Is it OK with you if your "buddies" hassle some other gun owner that you and they don't know? We should be working for the rights of all gun owners, not just the well dressed, clean shaven, short haired, freshly bathed, shiney shoe, slim and fit, young, good looking, athletic gun owners who have cop buddies and who carry "our way". This is what some CC'ers do when they disparage us OC'ers. We are supposed to be about freedom and individual liberty. Freedom means freedom to do, look and be what we want to be, not be like others want us to be. IWB, OWB, pocket carry, shoulder holster, OC, CC its all the same, legal. We should support it all. We get to decide how we carry, not how everyone else should carry.
    Very well said. I agree 100%

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