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    Milwaukee Police Department STILL Refuses To Return Firearm!!

    Wisconsin Carry Inc. just released information that may also be posted to their Facebook page at www.facebook.com/groups/wisconsincarry. It is posted here for informational purposes only.

    "Greetings in Freedom,

    I would like to take this opportunity to update you on the status of the effort to get the Milwaukee Police Department to release the firearm that the legally armed citizen used in the Aldi's store in Milwaukee to dispatch an armed robber.

    First, thank you to the thousands of you who emailed and called the Milwaukee Mayor and Common Council members who sit on the Public Safety committee. Your voice was heard.


    The Public Safety Committee met subsequent to your emails and phone calls and were briefed by the Milwaukee Police Department on the status of the gun being held. UNFORNTUNATELY, the Milwaukee Police Department continues to take the vague position that the gun is "evidence". Wisconsin Carry vehemently disagrees.

    After your emails and phone calls, the Milwaukee Police Department made a posting on their Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/milwaukeepolice

    In that posting they had a memo from Alderman Puente who sits on the Public Safety Committee who said the police had briefed him and the gun was needed as evidence because a bullet was removed from the leg of the armed robber. THIS STATEMENT CONFLICTS WHAT THE DETECTIVES ON THE SCENE told the armed citizen the night of the robbery. Detective Reaves told the armed citizen that "the bullet passed through" the robbers leg. Therefore, the only way to tie the robber the scene of the crime is not the connection between the gun and bullet, but the bullet and the robber. If the bullet was recovered from the wall of the store and contained the robbers DNA that would tie the robber to the scene with physical evidence (as would any blood on the floor, the shotgun the robber dropped and left behind) and also the video surveillance and dozens of eye witnesses. The gun of the armed citizens provides no forensic connection to the robber since the bullet passed through. The bullet would make a connection if it contained DNA. Wisconsin Carry is not asking the police to release the bullet (if recovered from the store).

    I responded to the facebook posting asking Alderman Puente to CONFIRM that the police told him a bullet was removed from the leg of the robber and at that point, the facebook posting was REMOVED by the Milwaukee Police Department.

    Did MPD misrepresent the truth to the public safety committee?

    Wisconsin Carry believes the police cannot articulate a logical reason how the gun the armed citizen used can be used to connect the robber to the scene but they are misleading or being intentionally vague in their claim that "the gun is evidence". A claim that cannot be supported by the facts we have.

    Please contact Alderman Puente and ask him if his statement on MPD facebook page that "a bullet was removed from the robbers leg" was true. Ald. Robert W. Puente, Vice Chair (414) 286-2221 E-mail rpuent@milwaukee.gov



    Even if that was true (which our information from Detective Reaves on the night of the robbery contradicts) the police could test fire Nazir's gun for ballistics confirmation, photograph it, and return it to him.

    We believe this represents a continued pattern of MPD confiscating even legally owned guns that were not involved in any crime and doing everything they can to avoid returning them to the law-abiding citizens who own them violating their 4th amendment civil rights.

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    Carry On,

    Nik Clark
    Chairman/President - Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
    nik@wisconsincarry.org"

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    I find it "funny" MPD has deleted that thread.
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    <MODERATOR> - Please Remove "Poilice" And Replace With "Police"

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    Quote Originally Posted by scm54449 View Post
    Wisconsin Carry Inc. just released information that may also be posted to their Facebook page at www.facebook.com/groups/wisconsincarry. It is posted here for informational purposes only.

    "Greetings in Freedom,

    I would like to take this opportunity to update you on the status of the effort to get the Milwaukee Police Department to release the firearm that the legally armed citizen used in the Aldi's store in Milwaukee to dispatch an armed robber.

    First, thank you to the thousands of you who emailed and called the Milwaukee Mayor and Common Council members who sit on the Public Safety committee. Your voice was heard.


    The Public Safety Committee met subsequent to your emails and phone calls and were briefed by the Milwaukee Police Department on the status of the gun being held. UNFORNTUNATELY, the Milwaukee Police Department continues to take the vague position that the gun is "evidence". Wisconsin Carry vehemently disagrees.

    After your emails and phone calls, the Milwaukee Police Department made a posting on their Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/milwaukeepolice

    In that posting they had a memo from Alderman Puente who sits on the Public Safety Committee who said the police had briefed him and the gun was needed as evidence because a bullet was removed from the leg of the armed robber. THIS STATEMENT CONFLICTS WHAT THE DETECTIVES ON THE SCENE told the armed citizen the night of the robbery. Detective Reaves told the armed citizen that "the bullet passed through" the robbers leg. Therefore, the only way to tie the robber the scene of the crime is not the connection between the gun and bullet, but the bullet and the robber. If the bullet was recovered from the wall of the store and contained the robbers DNA that would tie the robber to the scene with physical evidence (as would any blood on the floor, the shotgun the robber dropped and left behind) and also the video surveillance and dozens of eye witnesses. The gun of the armed citizens provides no forensic connection to the robber since the bullet passed through. The bullet would make a connection if it contained DNA. Wisconsin Carry is not asking the police to release the bullet (if recovered from the store).

    I responded to the facebook posting asking Alderman Puente to CONFIRM that the police told him a bullet was removed from the leg of the robber and at that point, the facebook posting was REMOVED by the Milwaukee Police Department.

    Did MPD misrepresent the truth to the public safety committee?

    Wisconsin Carry believes the police cannot articulate a logical reason how the gun the armed citizen used can be used to connect the robber to the scene but they are misleading or being intentionally vague in their claim that "the gun is evidence". A claim that cannot be supported by the facts we have.

    Please contact Alderman Puente and ask him if his statement on MPD facebook page that "a bullet was removed from the robbers leg" was true. Ald. Robert W. Puente, Vice Chair (414) 286-2221 E-mail rpuent@milwaukee.gov



    Even if that was true (which our information from Detective Reaves on the night of the robbery contradicts) the police could test fire Nazir's gun for ballistics confirmation, photograph it, and return it to him.

    We believe this represents a continued pattern of MPD confiscating even legally owned guns that were not involved in any crime and doing everything they can to avoid returning them to the law-abiding citizens who own them violating their 4th amendment civil rights.

    <snip>

    Carry On,

    Nik Clark
    Chairman/President - Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
    nik@wisconsincarry.org"

    Maybe you might want to ask your MPD and your public safety committee chair, how much of this foot dragging has to do with the pistol owner being a black man????? Sounds more like something that would happen in Birmingham rather then Milwauke don't you think????
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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    Maybe you might want to ask your MPD and your public safety committee chair, how much of this foot dragging has to do with the pistol owner being a black man????? Sounds more like something that would happen in Birmingham rather then Milwauke don't you think????
    Milwaukee is fairly liberal and the police chief, well, let's just say he is less than a reputable person.

    "My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it."
    http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/43998042.html
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    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    OK, and how many civil rights lawsuits has this attitude generated? I can see a good gun advocate lawyer just making hay (and money) with that remark! He is just begging for it.

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    Makes one wonder if someone in the MPD saw the gun and decided that they would like to have it in their possession.

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    In these situations, the longer the police keep the gun, the better. Don't sue directly for return of the gun. Instead, sue the police in federal court for failure to provide due process. This puts thepolice in the position of wishing that they did not have your gun and they often rush to give it back abnd pay off your attorney for fees on the federallawsuit as well. See Ford V. Turner (DC Ct. of App.).

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