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    do i dare dearbon public library

    heres the pdf, which is there current rules..

    #1 says i can carry there if primitted by law,



    what do you guys think

    im going there tomorrow to study orgo chem, id like to go armed


    In order to ensure a safe and dignified atmosphere for all of
    our patrons and library employees, anyone who violates this
    code of conduct may be banned from the library premises
    with suspension of library privileges. In addition, all library
    users may be required to make available for inspection all
    bags, briefcases, purses, containers, books and papers.
    You may not:
    Carry weapons or dangerous objects, except as permitted by law
    Vandalize or steal library property
    Disregard directions of library staff
    Engage in illegal or reckless behavior
    Remain in the building or re-enter when banned
    Fight, run, roam or horseplay
    Abuse, harass, stare at or stalk other library users or staff
    Talk loudly or make noise
    Sell, solicit, panhandle or loiter
    Distribute leaflets or post notices
    Bring in animals except service animals
    Eat, use tobacco or engage in inappropriate activity
    Place feet on library furniture or equipment
    Be without shoes or shirt
    Enter with roller blades or skate boards
    Bathe, shave or wash clothes
    Enter if you have neglected your bodily hygiene
    Bring in bulky items that take up excessive space
    Leave children under six years of age unattended in the building without
    adequate supervision from a caregiver who is at least 13 years of age
    Violators may be subject to arrest and prosecution.
    Dearborn Library Commission
    September 11, 2009

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd4now View Post
    heres the pdf, which is there current rules..

    #1 says i can carry there if primitted by law,



    what do you guys think

    im going there tomorrow to study orgo chem, id like to go armed


    In order to ensure a safe and dignified atmosphere for all of
    our patrons and library employees, anyone who violates this
    code of conduct may be banned from the library premises
    with suspension of library privileges. In addition, all library
    users may be required to make available for inspection all
    bags, briefcases, purses, containers, books and papers.
    You may not:
    Carry weapons or dangerous objects, except as permitted by law
    Vandalize or steal library property
    Disregard directions of library staff
    Engage in illegal or reckless behavior
    Remain in the building or re-enter when banned
    Fight, run, roam or horseplay
    Abuse, harass, stare at or stalk other library users or staff
    Talk loudly or make noise
    Sell, solicit, panhandle or loiter
    Distribute leaflets or post notices
    Bring in animals except service animals
    Eat, use tobacco or engage in inappropriate activity
    Place feet on library furniture or equipment
    Be without shoes or shirt
    Enter with roller blades or skate boards
    Bathe, shave or wash clothes
    Enter if you have neglected your bodily hygiene
    Bring in bulky items that take up excessive space
    Leave children under six years of age unattended in the building without
    adequate supervision from a caregiver who is at least 13 years of age
    Violators may be subject to arrest and prosecution.
    Dearborn Library Commission
    September 11, 2009
    Do you plan on carrying in a manner which is not legal per state law? If not then I don't see any problems with you carrying there.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    Quote Originally Posted by xmanhockey7 View Post
    Do you plan on carrying in a manner which is not legal per state law? If not then I don't see any problems with you carrying there.
    yes i know, but i think they thought that with the current cadl case and we see how that played out..

    I just wanna study w/o any problems

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd4now View Post
    yes i know, but i think they thought that with the current cadl case and we see how that played out..

    I just wanna study w/o any problems
    Well if you're that worried about OCing, assuming you have a CPL, just carry concealed.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    Quote Originally Posted by xmanhockey7 View Post
    Well if you're that worried about OCing, assuming you have a CPL, just carry concealed.
    yes i did that the other day, but once im done with my schooling this spring i will try to oc there to see how it plays out..

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    Bring the policy with you.

    If confronted, give it to them, then go sit down to read. Ignore them.

    Sending an armed police response to a man quietly reading in a library will send the strongest message possible.
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    You are permitted to OC by law there, so if that's what you wish to do, do it. (I would, but that's just me).
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffin View Post
    You are permitted to OC by law there, so if that's what you wish to do, do it. (I would, but that's just me).
    Yup, same thing here in Va. I have OC'd at my local library a few times now. I got a few gasps and pointed looks from mothers with small children, but no one ran off in a panic.

    Suggestion, if allowed by your state/local law, bring a voice recorder and keep it recording!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baked on Grease View Post

    Suggestion, if allowed by your state/local law, bring a voice recorder and keep it recording!
    +1 Dearborn is not known to be citizen friendly. Especially the younger you are.

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    I don't know... It's not like they are a unit of government covered by preemption.
    They are a "commission" , shouldn't they be able to make any laws, rules, commands, they want?

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    No.

    They were created by a preempted entity. CADL should help clear this up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leader View Post
    I don't know... It's not like they are a unit of government covered by preemption.
    They are a "commission" , shouldn't they be able to make any laws, rules, commands, they want?
    IANAL but in my opinion if they are operated by a city they are still covered.
    Sec. 2. A local unit of government shall not impose special taxation on, enact or enforce any ordinance or regulation pertaining to, or regulate in any other manner the ownership, registration, purchase, sale, transfer, transportation, or possession of pistols or other firearms, ammunition for pistols or other firearms, or components of pistols or other firearms, except as otherwise provided by federal law or a law of this state.
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    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
    - Shuttleworth vs City of Birmingham, Alabama 317 US 262

    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
    - Miranda vs Arizona 384 US 436

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    By creating commissions, and authorities, and whatever else they can make a name for, they are regulating (in any other manner) the posession of firearms. Since CADL for example, cant regulate firearms as a city because of preemption, they are claiming the term "authority", in a naked attempt to subvert the law, in order regulate the possession of the firearm.

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    Is the Library owned by the city/county directly or is it an "authority"?

    If it's an authority, see the CADL case. This case is still in appeals.

    If it is city/county owned, see MCRGO v Ferndale. This case is decided and binding case law.
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