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    OT: Another Washington Kid Shot

    Here's another accidental shooting. I can't help it, but have a little deja vu. I sure hope this little girl is alright. Parental negligence yet again, this time a LEO and his wife.

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/G...142212385.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCKilla View Post
    Here's another accidental shooting. I can't help it, but have a little deja vu. I sure hope this little girl is alright. Parental negligence yet again, this time a LEO and his wife.

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/G...142212385.html
    In the last year there have been three of these...all LEOs One in ID, one in Clark Co, this one....What does that say about training and forced locked storage?

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    Isnt it against the law to leave children unattended in a vehicle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    Isnt it against the law to leave children unattended in a vehicle?
    iirc, yes. Add: only if vehicle is running, apparently http://www.dmv.org/wa-washington/safety-laws.php

    Coming soon to Olympia: mandatory gun lock law.
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    Just saw this on the news. This with the little girl who just got shot in bremerton I feel like its only a matter of time before they come at our rights again. As we all know no matter what the circumstance its always the guns fault not the human behind it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    iirc, yes. Add: only if vehicle is running, apparently http://www.dmv.org/wa-washington/safety-laws.php

    Coming soon to Olympia: mandatory gun lock law.
    Only if we let Olympia do so..

    The solution to problems like this is to teach firearm safety and take the mystery out of fairearms at as young an age as is possible. If the kid (can be very young child) knows what it is, they are much less likely to handle a gun they have "found", and if they do handle one, they are more likely to handle it safely.

    Also, without the CPL holder in the vehicle, the glove box was supposed to be locked, no?.
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    Of course there are the usual comments of "why do you need to carry a gun in the middle of the day? It doesn't make any sense!"

    I actually ran into this same reasoning today. I was at the Foxhole in Tilicum with a buddy. I was cc and he was oc. One of the employees asked him if his weapon was loaded.

    He said it was and they told him they do not allow laoded guns in the store.

    I asked another employee why that was and she told me it was just store policy and that she didn't know why we would need a loaded gun in the store anyways.

    I told her I was sure the people in the Reno Ihop thought the very same thing. She had nothing else to say.
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    With the info that CPR was in progress as transport to the hospital was occuring does not bode well for a "healthy girl" ... not impossible but unlikely!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    Also, without the CPL holder in the vehicle, the glove box was supposed to be locked, no?.
    LEO are above the law.

    My money is on the engine running too.

    So two laws were likely broken (one for sure). And yet they will surely try to fix this 'epidemic' with... more laws. And the people tasked with enforcing said laws are.... the kind of guys who leave an unsecured loaded gun in a van with children unsupervised.


    Wanna bet this officer faces virtually no legal or professional repercussions?
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    i still swear by this product instead of a gun lock.

    http://www.safetybullet.com/

    Teaching firearm safety at an early age is good too. My three year old already knows not to touch a gun and to go get an adult.

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    I'm extremely frustrated with the reports from this and other news agencies. I want to make sure that the little girl is going to be ok. If not ok, let us know so we can...I don't know. Is it too much to ask for? I'm a parent with young kids. It hurts me every time this happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    Only if we let Olympia do so..

    The solution to problems like this is to teach firearm safety and take the mystery out of fairearms at as young an age as is possible. If the kid (can be very young child) knows what it is, they are much less likely to handle a gun they have "found", and if they do handle one, they are more likely to handle it safely.

    Also, without the CPL holder in the vehicle, the glove box was supposed to be locked, no?.
    HUGE +1! I grew up with loaded guns in the house my dad taught me from a very early age what they where and how to use AND clean them. I had a 22 rifle when I was 5 and a 410 when I was 6. While that may not be appropriate in every situation my father had taken the mystery out of firearms. I never felt a need to go snooping around and experimenting with them because I understood them so well. And if I ever did find one I would have left it alone and told my dad, not only because I was taught to "stop don't touch...." but also out of respect and fear of my father. I knew I would have been spanked for touching one without permission. Luckily in my case it never came up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    iirc, yes. Add: only if vehicle is running, apparently http://www.dmv.org/wa-washington/safety-laws.php

    Coming soon to Olympia: mandatory gun lock law.
    Try and buy a pistol today that doesn't have a lock with it. Then go out and find two people that use them rather than just tossing them in the kitchen junk drawer.

    If this firearm belonged to a LEO, why wasn't it on their person where it belonged? All the more reason to CARRY. So it isn't left where a child can find it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Try and buy a pistol today that doesn't have a lock with it. Then go out and find two people that use them rather than just tossing them in the kitchen junk drawer.

    If this firearm belonged to a LEO, why wasn't it on their person where it belonged? All the more reason to CARRY. So it isn't left where a child can find it.

    Here, here. When our older grand kids lived with us, only our "duty" weapons were unsecured...when they moved away, the gun locks came off (they really won't stop a determined adult, but will slow kids down).

    Our youngest grand daughter is still too young to worry about, but soon (within six months or so) the locks will be on every weapon that isn't attached to a body...

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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Try and buy a pistol today that doesn't have a lock with it.

    I bought a Draco the other day....

    Brand new in the box, guess what it came with?


    Yup.. a cheesy.. ****** .....trigger lock.....

    I had no choice but to laugh....

    The kind of person buying a Draco is not the kind of person to be putting TRIGGER LOCKS on it....
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    Sad news to bring to you guys today. The girl died from her injuries.

    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Chil...142211265.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    Isnt it against the law to leave children unattended in a vehicle?
    I was walking thru the park and saw a baby in a car seat, alone in a parked van. No adults around (they were in the picnic area). I called 911 and was told that it was not a crime and they would not respond. The mother showed up while I was on the phone and yelled at me for interfering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Laigaie View Post
    I was walking thru the park and saw a baby in a car seat, alone in a parked van. No adults around (they were in the picnic area). I called 911 and was told that it was not a crime and they would not respond. The mother showed up while I was on the phone and yelled at me for interfering.
    When I was nineteen, in Utah, I was walking to the store one afternoon, and happen by a truck with its passenger window rolled part-way down, it was the summer time, the truck was parked in front of a bar, baby in the car seat. I immediately called the police, waited, waited, waited, waited, took half hour for them to get there. Dad was in the bar drinking. Dad got reprimanded, and that's it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    When I was nineteen, in Utah, I was walking to the store one afternoon, and happen by a truck with its passenger window rolled part-way down, it was the summer time, the truck was parked in front of a bar, baby in the car seat. I immediately called the police, waited, waited, waited, waited, took half hour for them to get there. Dad was in the bar drinking. Dad got reprimanded, and that's it.
    And a law banning/punishing said behavior would accomplish what, exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aktion View Post
    And a law banning/punishing said behavior would accomplish what, exactly?
    Punishing stupid behavior. It won't prevent it all, but perhaps some won't be stupid knowing they will be punished if caught...(yeah, I know, but I can dream)....

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    Quote Originally Posted by aktion View Post
    And a law banning/punishing said behavior would accomplish what, exactly?
    Put the guy in the car seat with the window cracked, on a sunny day, and hang out in an air conditioned bar tipping back cool brews.

    I stated nothing about creating a law. But since you asked: Since we can't make stupidity not-legal--most stupid things are subjective--we can require maybe AA, and a parenting class. Kids ought to not be taken away except under extreme circumstances, IMO. It is better to maybe offer some tutoring...who the hell am I kidding, who needs to take a class that tells them that you ought not leave your kid in the vehicle while your in the bar!...LOL, ok, since you can't teach what seems to be common sense, slap the man's hand with a ruler, and state, "NO NO!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    <snip> I immediately called the police, waited, waited, waited, waited, took half hour for them to get there. Dad was in the bar drinking. Dad got reprimanded, and that's it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
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    I stated nothing about creating a law. But since you asked: Since we can't make stupidity not-legal--most stupid things are subjective--we can require maybe AA, and a parenting class. Kids ought to not be taken away except under extreme circumstances, IMO. It is better to maybe offer some tutoring...who the hell am I kidding, who needs to take a class that tells them that you ought not leave your kid in the vehicle while your in the bar!...LOL, ok, since you can't teach what seems to be common sense, slap the man's hand with a ruler, and state, "NO NO!"
    Well you said nothing about 'creating a law', nice try...but why the hell then did you call the police? Is it their job to reprimand or to enforce the law? Is it the job of the police to parent? Is it the job of the police to teach a class?

    Your two posts together make no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    Well you said nothing about 'creating a law', nice try...but why the hell then did you call the police? Is it their job to reprimand or to enforce the law? Is it the job of the police to parent? Is it the job of the police to teach a class?

    Your two posts together make no sense.
    I follow your reasoning. So if there is no law against something, say, leaving a baby strapped in a car seat in a vehicle, alone, then there is no reason to call the police?

    I didn't state it is the job of the police to teach a class. I didn't call the police to show up and be the parent. At nineteen I wasn't aware of the laws at the time concerning leaving an infant in a vehicle alone, figured the police might have a better idea.

    Of course, according to you, there was no reason for me to call the police, and if I were to call the police, I am arguing for a law to exist that makes it illegal to leave an infant in a vehicle.

    Please, if you are going to pick through my posts, there are other places where I actually post conflicting viewpoints within the same discussion.

    BTW, I didn't call the police to reprimand the man, I called the police because an infant was sitting in a vehicle alone; I merely pointed out that the officer reprimanded the man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I follow your reasoning. So if there is no law against something, say, leaving a baby strapped in a car seat in a vehicle, alone, then there is no reason to call the police?

    I didn't state it is the job of the police to teach a class. I didn't call the police to show up and be the parent. At nineteen I wasn't aware of the laws at the time concerning leaving an infant in a vehicle alone, figured the police might have a better idea.

    Of course, according to you, there was no reason for me to call the police, and if I were to call the police, I am arguing for a law to exist that makes it illegal to leave an infant in a vehicle.

    Please, if you are going to pick through my posts, there are other places where I actually post conflicting viewpoints within the same discussion.

    BTW, I didn't call the police to reprimand the man, I called the police because an infant was sitting in a vehicle alone; I merely pointed out that the officer reprimanded the man.
    I understand your progression from age 19 to now...views, responsibilities, etc can mature and grow.

    Did it ever occur to you to go find the parent? Go to the business and express your concern?

    I didn't say there wasn't reason to call the police, but it is definately not the first thing that I would consider. If I had more information then perhaps it would, i.e. the temperature put the health of the baby in jeopardy.
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    Leaving a child unattended in the car while in a bar IS against the law.

    RCW 9.91.060

    Leaving children unattended in parked automobile.

    Every person having the care and custody, whether temporary or permanent, of minor children under the age of twelve years, who shall leave such children in a parked automobile unattended by an adult while such person enters a tavern or other premises where vinous, spirituous, or malt liquors are dispensed for consumption on the premises shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor.

    Further, I would put forth that a 19-year old woman could not legally enter a bar to search for the parent and I wouldn't ask her to confront a possibly inebriated and probably belligerent father.

    I too would have called the police and asked them to enforce the law.

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