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    The Enemy from within

    Fair warning from the Washington Post:

    The following RINOs:

    • Thomas K. Norment Jr. of James City
    • Harry B. Blevins of Chesapeake
    • Frank W. Wagner of Virginia Beach
    • John C. Watkins of Powhatan


    Are the Enemy From Within:
    After early success, Virginia conservatives have seen some of their highest priorities thwarted in the General Assembly.

    Several marquee bills related to home-schooling and welfare, abortion and illegal immigration were killed or gutted in the past two weeks at the hands of four moderate Senate Republicans, including Majority Leader Thomas K. Norment Jr. (James City). Gov. Robert F. McDonnell (R) himself played a role.

    The stunning defeats came in a year when Republicans took full control of Richmond, buoying conservatives whose agenda had died in a Democratic-led Senate. They pushed an ambitious legislative plan but ran into unexpected opposition from moderate members of their own party.

    That has frustrated and even angered some conservative lawmakers and activists, the core of the Virginia Republican Party.

    More than Southern civility was at stake. If conservatives pushed too hard too quickly, they could turn off swing voters in this year’s presidential and U.S. Senate races, political observers have said. Nor would it do much for McDonnell’s national political ambitions, because signing a host of divisive bills might make him a liability with moderate voters.

    But with Republicans controlling every lever of power for the second time since the Civil War, some conservatives saw no reason to wait. The Virginia Conservative Caucus rolled out an 80-bill agenda, twice the number of bills it sponsored last year.

    They had some wins, even though some of the hot-button bills had not been the priorities of the governor or House and Senate leaders. They overturned a 19-year-old law limiting handgun purchases to one per month; passed a bill allowing faith-based adoption agencies to turn away, for religious reasons, gay applicants; and approved a $10 million-a-year tax credit for a private school vouchers for poor and middle-class students.

    And then the conservative revolution seemed to hit a wall, as if Republicans belatedly decided to heed the governor’s call.

    But some conservative activists see the defeats as nothing short of a betrayal. Some said they saw this coming, having vowed at the start of the session to keep an eye on suspected moderates. But others’ expectations for the session have been dashed.

    “You had a lot of people that had their hopes up,” said Mark Kevin Lloyd, chairman of the Virginia Federation of Tea Party Patriots. “They thought by putting more conservatives in office, it would give the rest of them a spine. It hasn’t happened yet — to the satisfaction of many.”
    So, does that mean no Constitutional Carry -- ever? No K-12 Carry, no Campus Carry ever?

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    k-12 is a federal thing, iirc there was a bill last year 2011-2012 about removing it, its citizen protection act or something.
    How come a DUI you can get your driver licence back, which it is a privilege. But if commiting a felon, even something non violent like stealing, you are denied your constitutional rights for the rest of your life?
    If you don't support the Second Amendment to the Constitution, what other parts of the Constitution do you reject?
    More restrictions on guns? how about restrictions on chainsaws and knives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
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    So, does that mean no Constitutional Carry -- ever? No K-12 Carry, no Campus Carry ever?
    Don't go into morning yet - the ideas are still alive and well.

    The national election implications undoubtedly have had some impact on particular elected officials in state government. That is part of the reason why I've felt that the 2013 GA session may well yield the most serious gains in our RKBA - the election will be over and the interest/demand for improvement will still be there. It will fall to us to raise awareness and promote the enthusiasm to make these succeed.
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    With "friends" like these... who needs Democrats?

    Seriously though... what's the point in them holding the budget hostage, they don't need any more committee positions to accomplish their agenda.

    TFred

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    Fair warning from the Washington Post:

    does that mean no Constitutional Carry -- ever? No K-12 Carry, no Campus Carry ever?
    Only if we want it to mean that.

    This has nothing to do with political party's. It has to do with voter pressure.
    One of my hero's said "walk softly and carry a big stick"...but he was wrong.

    Make a point of telling the other fellow you're going to beat the hell out of him, and maybe you won't have to use that stick.

    I don't know one single member of the General Assembly that is truly pro gun. They are pro themselves and vote the way that will get them the most votes. If we scream loud enough bills will pass. If we ask others to do our screaming for us....we get P4P, or nothing.

    That's the big hurdle this year and it really is the enemy within.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    ...
    One of my heroes said "walk softly and carry a big stick"...but he was wrong.

    Make a point of telling the other fellow you're going to beat the hell out of him, and maybe you won't have to use that stick.
    ....
    Nah. Whack him good upside the head first thing, then tell him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by user View Post
    Nah. Whack him good upside the head first thing, then tell him.
    That worked pretty well for "Big Dan Teague!"

    TFred

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repeater View Post
    Fair warning from the Washington Post:

    The following RINOs:

    • Thomas K. Norment Jr. of James City
    • Harry B. Blevins of Chesapeake
    • Frank W. Wagner of Virginia Beach
    • John C. Watkins of Powhatan

    No real surprise that none of the above chose to answer the VCDL 2011 General Election candidate survey on key positions, and Norment didn't respond for the Primary survey. Frankly I've pretty much assumed that if any of my Senate or House candidates didn't respond that it was a bad sign, and this pretty much confirms that.

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    It really isn't about RINOs or elephants or donkeys or any other silly labels. It is about principles vs. the manipulation of power. Clear and simple.

    When the unprincipled have to decide they look to manipulate and create advantage for themselves. The principled always vote in a manner that supports their beliefs.

    We have lots of unprincipled manipulaters. There was a time when the likes of these scoundrels were tarred, feathered and rode out of town on a donkey.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Mr. Watkins is my rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riverrat10k View Post
    Mr. Watkins is my rep.
    And Mr. Wagner is mine. The same one who when the fur was flying didn't seem to have time to respond to either emails or phone messages left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riverrat10k View Post
    Mr. Watkins is my rep.
    read watkins diatribe about sunday hunting in the RTD. you'll notice more than a few phrases that sound like they were lifted out of the brady playbook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundar View Post
    When the unprincipled have to decide they look to manipulate and create advantage for themselves. The principled always vote in a manner that supports their beliefs.

    We have lots of unprincipled manipulaters. There was a time when the likes of these scoundrels were tarred, feathered and rode out of town on a donkey.
    Thundar speaks! Now see what Erick Erickson has to say:

    A Case Study in Why Republicans Do Not Fear Conservatives
    The primary battle for Illinois’s 16th Congressional District is a case study in why Republicans do not fear conservatives and do not take conservatives seriously in the House of Representatives.

    The House Republican Leaders don’t much care. They do not have to. Conservatives, time and time again, will not put their money where their mouth is. They like to fight policy battles, but sit out the political fights.

    Consider Illinois 16. Eric Cantor came out and endorsed Adam Kinzinger.

    By any measure, Manzullo is far more conservative than Kinzinger.

    But after Cantor endorsed the squish, Republicans in the House stepped up to fund Adam Kinzinger.

    Manzullo has only seen Louie Gohmert and Spencer Bachus chime in on his behalf. Where is Jim Jordan? Where is Mike Pence? Where are the other conservatives?

    For that matter, where is the money from the outside groups? That, in fact, is key. Outside conservative groups like to endorse, but they don’t like to cut checks.
    Well, the whole thing is depressing, but educational. Erick asks: "For that matter, where is the money from the outside groups?" Well, where was the NRA or any other gun group? Illinois makes me ILL with their totalitarianism.

    But paraphrase, any of us could ask: "A Case Study in Why Republicans Do Not Fear Gun Owners"

    Apathy is lethal.

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