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No guns allowed lapeer sheriff dept
- Thread starter lapeer20m
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VW_Factor
Regular Member
Interesting encounter.
PDinDetroit
Regular Member
I was up to the Lapeer "Gravel Pit" on Sunday Afternoon/Evening and gentleman told me that Lapeer is trying to discourage Open Carry (mentioned County Sheriff). I was surprised by that but not surprised by this after having heard that. Too bad really, I like the Lapeer area and have considered moving there.
You let me know when the meeting will be for the County Commission if the Sheriff does not handle it properly. I got your back and so will others.
BTW - The Under-Sheriff basically admitted on your audio that he is DENYING YOUR RIGHTS. Clear Violation of MCL 752.11, but I believe it is better to try to work with them to help them understand that they are not in compliance with State Law (MCL 123.1102), that by doing do they can lose their Qualified Immunity, and be subject to a Deprivation of Civil Rights Lawsuit.
You let me know when the meeting will be for the County Commission if the Sheriff does not handle it properly. I got your back and so will others.
BTW - The Under-Sheriff basically admitted on your audio that he is DENYING YOUR RIGHTS. Clear Violation of MCL 752.11, but I believe it is better to try to work with them to help them understand that they are not in compliance with State Law (MCL 123.1102), that by doing do they can lose their Qualified Immunity, and be subject to a Deprivation of Civil Rights Lawsuit.
LAW ENFORCEMENT (EXCERPT) Act 158 of 1966 said:
VW_Factor
Regular Member
I simply wonder how on earth a deputy, or under-sheriff, etc.. Can even consider a Sheriffs office "a business".
You get tax dollars? That is no business sir.
You get tax dollars? That is no business sir.
langenc
Regular Member
You have run into 'the sheriff dept gang'. They do it the way they want to.. Congratulations!!
G22shooter
Campaign Veteran
Good luck from NC
NHCGRPR45
Regular Member
If I am in the state when a commission meeting is to be held I will gladly show up with you to help out.
xd shooter
Regular Member
Is there a Prison or jail/ correctional facility at that site/building?
800.283 Weapons; prohibitions.
The Cass County Sheriff's Dept is signed "No Weapons Allowed" due to it also being a correctional facility in the same building.
Hmmm..
Same address...I think maybe you got off lucky.
800.283 Weapons; prohibitions.
The Cass County Sheriff's Dept is signed "No Weapons Allowed" due to it also being a correctional facility in the same building.
Hmmm..
Same address...I think maybe you got off lucky.
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stainless1911
Banned
here we go
stainless1911
Banned
why is it unlisted?
xd shooter
Regular Member
What's unlisted?
PDinDetroit
Regular Member
Is there a Prison or jail/ correctional facility at that site/building?
800.283 Weapons; prohibitions.
The Cass County Sheriff's Dept is signed "No Weapons Allowed" due to it also being a correctional facility in the same building.
Hmmm..
Same address...I think maybe you got off lucky.
If it is County Jail, then it should still fall under Preemption and Public Areas are not PFZ nor can they be made such without some other prevailing Michigan Law or Federal Law.
FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION (EXCERPT) Act 319 of 1990 said:
http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-Act-319-of-1990
Since the Under-Sheriff did not state it was a CRIME, then the "got off lucky" comment I do not understand. If you have a Legal Cite showing it to be a CRIME, I sure would like to see it!
stainless1911
Banned
the video
xd shooter
Regular Member
Stainless, I don't understand what you mean by unpublished or unlisted? Can you spell it out for me, I'm confused..
I did notice that there was no specified penalty or whether it was a felony or misdemeanor to do so, But the language is pretty plain.
"Shall not be brought into any correctional facility".
I suppose the argument could be made as to WHERE the correctional facility starts and ends, since I did not find any specific definition I suppose the Sheriff believes it starts at the door.
Unless you can provide a cite as to otherwise of course.
I did notice that there was no specified penalty or whether it was a felony or misdemeanor to do so, But the language is pretty plain.
"Shall not be brought into any correctional facility".
I suppose the argument could be made as to WHERE the correctional facility starts and ends, since I did not find any specific definition I suppose the Sheriff believes it starts at the door.
Unless you can provide a cite as to otherwise of course.
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stainless1911
Banned
how then, is a correctional facility defined?
PDinDetroit
Regular Member
Stainless, I don't understand what you mean by unpublished or unlisted? Can you spell it out for me, I'm confused..
I did notice that there was no specified penalty or whether it was a felony or misdemeanor to do so, But the language is pretty plain.
"Shall not be brought into any correctional facility".
I suppose the argument could be made as to WHERE the correctional facility starts and ends, since I did not find any specific definition I suppose the Sheriff believes it starts at the door.
Unless you can provide a cite as to otherwise of course.
That is not a Legal Cite as you have provided No Links to the law. Please do so!
Glock9mmOldStyle
Campaign Veteran
Same old song & dance......
These person(s) female at window & under-sheriff need to take a refresher course in how to speak to the public. They were in my opinion very disrespectful to the OP. In essence he was treated like a 12yr. [In their defense - he does look young, but not that young]. Now this is the question people should be asking: why is the sheriff so worried about the public? If you were some nut wanting to go on a shooting spree would the stupid & unlawful sign on the door stop you? I highly doubt it! So the motive must be something else, maybe it's keeping the little people in their places? The staff there really seem to have the - it's us "troops" against you piss-ants mentally from what I heard. If that is truly how they feel they need to resign as PUBLIC SERVANTS!
This is the same crap WaCo tried to pull. *Note the undercover officer who starts barking orders is the Wayne Co. Rep for the Concealed Licensing board, if anyone there should of known gun laws it would be him one would think? ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXNLjuGVfPU&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh8Xc_cteO8&feature=relmfu
These person(s) female at window & under-sheriff need to take a refresher course in how to speak to the public. They were in my opinion very disrespectful to the OP. In essence he was treated like a 12yr. [In their defense - he does look young, but not that young
]. Now this is the question people should be asking: why is the sheriff so worried about the public? If you were some nut wanting to go on a shooting spree would the stupid & unlawful sign on the door stop you? I highly doubt it! So the motive must be something else, maybe it's keeping the little people in their places? The staff there really seem to have the - it's us "troops" against you piss-ants mentally from what I heard. If that is truly how they feel they need to resign as PUBLIC SERVANTS!This is the same crap WaCo tried to pull. *Note the undercover officer who starts barking orders is the Wayne Co. Rep for the Concealed Licensing board, if anyone there should of known gun laws it would be him one would think? ???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXNLjuGVfPU&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh8Xc_cteO8&feature=relmfu
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xd shooter
Regular Member
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(zz...px?page=GetMCLDocument&objectname=mcl-791-215
Well...That didn't help!!
umm...http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/publications/firearms.pdf
Scroll down to section 800.283 Weapons; prohibitions.
Here, this better defines it...http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(zz...eg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-800-283
Just as a question here, does anyone really think that carrying a weapon into a jail is a good idea?
Well...That didn't help!!
umm...http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/publications/firearms.pdf
Scroll down to section 800.283 Weapons; prohibitions.
Here, this better defines it...http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(zz...eg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-800-283
Just as a question here, does anyone really think that carrying a weapon into a jail is a good idea?
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stainless1911
Banned
The video is only viewable to those who have the link.
IMO when the police refuse to follow the law, it should be screamed from the rooftops.
IMO when the police refuse to follow the law, it should be screamed from the rooftops.
stainless1911
Banned
Yes, dont you know what kind of people live there?
Besides, the police have no duty to protect us.
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