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    Rocky Mountain Airshow restrictions

    I know this isn't EXACTLY an "open carry" issue--ya gotta start somewhere!

    on http://www.cosportaviation.org/items.html there is a restriction listed, to which I penned this e-mail in an attempt to address:

    "Wow, sorry to see “No weapons allowed on site” on the restrictions page for the air show.

    As a lawfully permitted concealed carry permit holder that means I will NOT be in attendance (despite being retired USAF and a HUGE aircraft fan), and will pass the word that since you don’t honor a person’s constitutionally recognized (and Supreme Court of the United States affirmed!) right to self defense, we should not participate. That is, “voting” with my money.

    It should also be noted that according to C.R.S. 18-12-201, which was recently affirmed by the Supreme Court of Colorado, this State of Colorado law has preemption over local governments—including Jeffco. I realize that it is not Jeffco running the show, which means it must be the show’s operating staff—as best I can tell that’s all of you and others—making this edict restricting MY (and everyone else’s!) rights. It's not like we're getting on board a commercial flight. Shame on you!"

    I sent it to:
    jim@cosportaviation.org;aviatr@aol.c... taviation.org

    I would encourage everyone else to follow suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scubabeme View Post
    I know this isn't EXACTLY an "open carry" issue--ya gotta start somewhere!

    on http://www.cosportaviation.org/items.html there is a restriction listed, to which I penned this e-mail in an attempt to address:

    "Wow, sorry to see “No weapons allowed on site” on the restrictions page for the air show.

    As a lawfully permitted concealed carry permit holder that means I will NOT be in attendance (despite being retired USAF and a HUGE aircraft fan), and will pass the word that since you don’t honor a person’s constitutionally recognized (and Supreme Court of the United States affirmed!) right to self defense, we should not participate. That is, “voting” with my money.

    It should also be noted that according to C.R.S. 18-12-201, which was recently affirmed by the Supreme Court of Colorado, this State of Colorado law has preemption over local governments—including Jeffco. I realize that it is not Jeffco running the show, which means it must be the show’s operating staff—as best I can tell that’s all of you and others—making this edict restricting MY (and everyone else’s!) rights. It's not like we're getting on board a commercial flight. Shame on you!"

    I sent it to:
    jim@cosportaviation.org;aviatr@aol.c... taviation.org

    I would encourage everyone else to follow suit.
    From Wikipedia: "Rocky Mountain Metropolitan Airport (IATA: BJC, ICAO: KBJC, FAA LID: BJC) is a public-use airport located near Broomfield, Colorado, United States. The airport is owned and operated by Jefferson County and is situated midway between Denver and Boulder on U.S. Highway 36."

    From the airshow's website: "Colorado Sport Aviation, Inc. (CSA) is an all-volunteer, 501(c)(3) non-profit corporation dedicated to serve and promote recreational aviation by hosting an annual Air Show and Regional Fly-In."

    From FAR/AIM (Federal Aviation Regulations / Aeronautical Information Manual: The term "firearm" is mentioned many times, but a thorough review revealed in all instance it referred to firearms being carried in flight. No mention was made anywhere with respect simply being armed while on an airfield.

    TSA Regulations only require that you not bring firearms to the security screening area. There are no restrictions of the carrying of firearms prior to that point. In DEN, you can concealed carry, as Denver County extends to and includes the airport, and at COS you can carry any way you wish. I've OCd at COS. Got some funny looks, but it's legal.

    A related issue involves Hartsfield's (Atlanta, GA) request to the TSA to modify it's security program so as to ban firearms anywhere on airfield property, including parking lots and access roads. Currently, no airport can modify its security program without TSA approval. GeorgiaCarry.org, a gun rights group, sued. GeorgiaCarry.org lawyer John Monroe said the airport gun ban jeopardizes personal safety. Click here for more on that story.

    As a worldwide military aviator, I've carried firearms all over the place. Some might think we have a carte blanch waiver because we're military, but that's not the case. We have to follow local laws, as well. Usually we just locked them in the on-board gun box before departing the aircraft. Since our aircraft are considered sovereign territory, the same as embassy grounds, we can carry on board all over the world, but departing the aircraft while carrying them was usually a no-no, unless we were either at a military airfield, such as Pope AFB here in the states, or one under military control or authority, such as most of the airfields in Iraq.

    Having reviewed the applicable regulations and information, unless they have a TSA-operated passenger screening area, I do not believe their "No Firearms" mandate is legal under Colorado State Law. I believe this falls into the same category as the Colorado State Fair's illegal mandate, which I covered in excruciating detail, here. I believe many, if not most, of the same arguments apply.

    Bottom line: If it's public land, and not protected by federal law i.e. behind a TSA-operated passenger screening area, State law applies, and State law says we can both OC or CC with a CHP. Our choice. They might argue that because it's run by CSA (Colorado Sport Aviation, Inc.) that CSA gets to make the rules, but they'd be wrong. It remains public land, and Jefferson County cannot encroach on the rights and freedoms of people just because it either hires or allows an organization to run a business on public property.

    Question is: Who's going to sue these two un-Constitutional organizations?

    Please feel free to use what little information I added in your letters to these folks. Don't expect them to back down, however. They'll stick to their guns (or lack thereof) until they're forced to do otherwise. A lawsuit might work, but a preemptive injunction by a judge would carry more weight.

    Another option would be to coordinate with the local law enforcement having jurisdiction over the airfield, presumably Jefferson County Sheriff's office, obtain their buy-in, and simply show up armed with their pre-briefed officers backing you up as you enter the gates.

    Good luck on getting their buy-in, though...
    Last edited by since9; 03-23-2012 at 02:47 AM.
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    Concealed carry is alowed

    I know this is digging up an old thread but thought it was good info. I found this thread while trying to find out for myself if I could carry to the Airshow on the 23rd. I did more research after finding this thread and you can carry to the airshow. I found the rules for the Rocky Mountain Airport. http://jeffco.us/jeffco/airport_uplo...Final_2011.pdf

    2.14 Weapons and Explosives
    2.14.1 Only duly authorized security personnel; Operations Agents; duly authorized post
    office or Airport employees; law enforcement personnel, concealed permit holders or
    members of the armed forces of the United States or the state of Colorado on official
    duty shall carry any weapons and/or explosives in the Airport Terminal or other public
    areas of the Airport.
    2.14.1.1 Cased sporting guns carried for transshipment are accepted.
    2.14.2 Discharge of any weapon on the Airport is prohibited, except in the performance of
    official duties or in the lawful defense of life or property.

    The grounds we watch the show on sure seem like public areas to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pridesfall View Post
    I know this is digging up an old thread but thought it was good info. I found this thread while trying to find out for myself if I could carry to the Airshow on the 23rd. I did more research after finding this thread and you can carry to the airshow. I found the rules for the Rocky Mountain Airport. http://jeffco.us/jeffco/airport_uplo...Final_2011.pdf

    2.14 Weapons and Explosives
    2.14.1 Only duly authorized security personnel; Operations Agents; duly authorized post
    office or Airport employees; law enforcement personnel, concealed permit holders or
    members of the armed forces of the United States or the state of Colorado on official
    duty shall carry any weapons and/or explosives in the Airport Terminal or other public
    areas of the Airport.
    2.14.1.1 Cased sporting guns carried for transshipment are accepted.
    2.14.2 Discharge of any weapon on the Airport is prohibited, except in the performance of
    official duties or in the lawful defense of life or property.

    The grounds we watch the show on sure seem like public areas to me.
    If you spent the money to be authorized the use of your rights...then you may carry.
    Without a mother-may-I card, you are still screwed.

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