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Democrat "patriotism"

PrayingForWar

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marshaul said:
LOL! Right on both counts, I suspect.

By the way, one of the veterans said:



Frankly, I'm not sure what to think about someone who fights and dies for a flag rather than, say, freedom. Which includes, you know, the freedom of doing tacky and tasteless things with flags.

Sounds to me like such a person is fighting for a government (for which the flag is ultimately a symbol), rather than the ideas which our society cherishes (or used to cherish).

I might say that I find that a little disrespectful. Certainly no less disrespectful than some ridiculous Obama Messiah flag, which I find too hilariously stupid to really even think of as disrespectful.

It's kind of like, a retarded kid might give me the finger, but you know what? I'm not going to let that bother me. It probably doesn't mean to him what it does to me. He is, after all, a retard. ;)




Ah! Now you've got me on board (now that we're talking about what the symbol is intended to represent).

And I agree completely. Citizen made an excellent post recently regarding the difference in perception of the office of President from the time of its inception to today.

People should be more concerned with electing representatives who actually consider the concerns of their constituency, rather than electing some figurehead who pretends to represent their "side" in the fictitious left-vs-right "debate". (The best part is the cute way in which everyone and all their friends are conveniently on the same "side". Politics isn't about thought anymore, it's about pretending you're smart and cool for your friends. Disgusting.)
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I think of the flag as representing the country, and that the country represents (or at least once did) individual freedom.

I think a big mistake was changing how we elect the federal gov't. It used to be done at the state level. Now it's more of a beauty pagent, and the contestents are probably even more vacuous.
 
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PrayingForWar said:
I think of the flag as representing the country, and that the country represents (or at least once did) individual freedom.
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I used to feel this way, I honestly did. For some reason, now, when I see the flag, it doesn't fill me with pride, or remind me of the country (not nation, mind you) in which I live, a fact for which I thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster each day. For some reason, now it just makes me think of government.

I kind of feel like government (especially the Federal government) has co-opted the flag.

You have to admit that government does try to obliterate the distinction between "country" and "government" (a process called nationalism), attempting to redefine "patriotism" as "support for the actions of government" and thereby usurp all civic pride in order to prop up its baseless claim to the "mandate of the people".

I fly the Virginia flag, which to me is still a symbol of my state, but not The State.
 
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DCR said:
that the veterans don't respect the free speech rights of others - the very rights they fought to preserve.
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Am I demanding that there be a law preventing them from doing it? No, I'm not. Am I saying that it's not their right to be able to do this? No, I'm not. So quit trying to put words in my mouth and quit trying to twist this around to make us vets that think this is disgusting as bad guys.

Being against things like this is no different than being against things like the Westboro Church. It is disgraceful, it is disrespectful, but we're NOT saying that it should be illegal. But those that partake in such actions should be shunned by the community and it should be clear that such things are NOT viewed as acceptable by the community even if they are to be tolerated.
 
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marshaul said:
SNIP See, once again, they aren't doing it to piss you off, they're doing it to get some spiritual eagle feather or some nonsense.
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I can't help but wonder if there aren't a few Native Americans who asked themselves,

"Who the **ck are these white guys? We were here 10,000 years before them, and held the eagle in reverence, back when there were plenty of eagles--before these white a$$holes came along and made them and endangered species.

Then the white a$$holes made the eagle their national symbol. Endangered it. And, now we have to ask their permission to take two of them?"

Boy, I'd be simmering.

Hmmmm. I wonder if there is an ally in liberty with the native tribes?
 
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marshaul said:
See, once again, they aren't doing it to piss you off, they're doing it to get some spiritual eagle feather or some nonsense.

Who gives a crap?

And consider what you're doing. You're taking an act which, in intent, has nothing to do with expression, you're equating it with expression (why else would it matter that the Eagle is a national symbol, unless you're equating the act with desecration thereof), and then declaring it "unacceptable".

There is no such thing as "unacceptable" expression, There is only expression which you don't like. And nobody gives a damn whether you like their expression. Nor should they.
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I soon forget; I used to burn flags with the intent of sending others throught the roof. The social justice Eagle killing still chaps my ass.
 
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DrakeZ07 said:
Probably not, President Obama, isn't as bad as Dubya to the scale as a whole, he's yet to drag us into a war lasting longer than Vietnam, and yet to invade a sovereign nation for no other reason than revenge, oil, and corrupt capitalists. I.E.; Pres. Obama has not invaded North Korea, Iran, or Libya, and set in stage for us to stay there for more than a decade. Pres. Obama has not made up BS False accusations, wasted Government money on false, Photoshopped satellite pictures, and launched us into another war with a different middle-eastern, Islamic country. But for the sake of being "fair and equal", he's about to get four more years to do just that, since he's already went on par with Fmr. President Bush JR's policies, economic socialism, and fascist mis-use of the constitution to impoverish, and deny rights to American Citizens
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You clearly value different things than others. My evaluation of Bush and Obama finds both of them wanting and tyrannical in equal degrees. I don't cotton to undeclared wars, and I don't cotton to the stage being set for socialized medicine, which both of these chowderheads are guilty of doing.

How is Uganda going, btw? Funny too, because you're claiming we didn't invade Libya. No, no, just provided air support, that's not invading, that's just standing on the side observing, right?

You do have the economic socialism/fascism correct, at the least. I suspect you mistook my post to you as support of Dubya in some way. Rest assured, I loathed the man, as much and for many of the same reasons that I loathe Obama.

End of the day though, I stand by my assertion that the "Left" and "Right" side of the statist coin are both tickled pink to claim "Constitution!" when they're ticking off others, but scream for nearly death type sentences for folks who tick them off while using the Constitution. :)
 
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DrakeZ07 said:
Probably not, President Obama, isn't as bad as Dubya to the scale as a whole
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Holy sh*t where have you been.

Our dictator in Chief has given himself the power to disappear you. Kill you. Arrest you for free speech. Declared Congress mute. Declared the UN gives him legal power to wage war. His false flag operations (that we know about) have killed two Americans and countless Mexicans. Including women and children. He has assassinated American citizens.

Time to put the Flavor-aid down and get the old head out... Bush isn't in office.
 
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Citizen said:
I can't help but wonder if there aren't a few Native Americans who asked themselves,

"Who the **ck are these white guys? We were here 10,000 years before them, and held the eagle in reverence, back when there were plenty of eagles--before these white a$$holes came along and made them and endangered species.

Then the white a$$holes made the eagle their national symbol. Endangered it. And, now we have to ask their permission to take two of them?"
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And if there are any of these A$$hole's asking that, screw um.
 
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Holy sh*t where have you been.

Our dictator in Chief has given himself the power to disappear you. Kill you. Arrest you for free speech. Declared Congress mute. Declared the UN gives him legal power to wage war. His false flag operations (that we know about) have killed two Americans and countless Mexicans. Including women and children. He has assassinated American citizens.

Time to put the Flavor-aid down and get the old head out... Bush isn't in office.
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Just for the sake of argument... Bush DID all those things.

I remember Muslim's disappearring left and right.

Free speech zones.

False flag? Terror Levels? Hello?

So maybe Bush didn't rob your house like Obama may be doing but he sure as hell picked the lock.

I'm not saying Obama is better. I'm saying stop smoking weed and complaining about people drinking kool-aid...

I mean what? The FBI, police, government have been disappearing and assassinating people for decades. What? It's a problem now?

LOL

/arguments_sake

Yes, Bush is no longer president. But come on... Post some citations and facts. Not silliness...

Obama assassinated someone? You got that on video? You got proof of that? Yea...
 
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http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf

(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to
it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any
nature.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner
whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or
handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or
boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising
signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

Well boys and girls it is federal law he (or his reps)is breaking federal law (what is new in that). It would make a nice emblem for his new country, you know, the one he is trying to create.
 
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jbone said:
Can't argue with that!
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Uhhhh... yeah.

Here's my problem with that entire train of "thought".

Our government has indeed commited some pretty atrocious acts in my own lifetime, those are the ones that concern me the most. However in comparison to so many other countries...

Making people "disappear"? Assasinations?

Please show me a list of the people who've been "disappeared". I know there's a few, but I'm sure most of them for whatever reason drew the ire of the emperor's henchmen, not that I'm saying they deserved it exactly.

In contrast to some countries where entire villages have been snuffed out, where people weren't only "disappeared", but their entire records are destroyed and no one speaks of it for fear they'll be next.

The fact we're able to discuss it openly should tell you something.

Regarding the moonbat messiah, in his defense he's probably done less in the way of making people "disappear" than Bush did.

Now I must take a hot shower.

I don't live in fear of the emperor, if anything I fear his zealots, but not so much.
 
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Stanley said:
Post some citations and facts. Not silliness...

Obama assassinated someone? You got that on video? You got proof of that? Yea...
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Yes I do. So keep on acting the fool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l6JAV1cOC9A#!


http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/03/obama-administration-justifies-targeted-killings.html?mid=rss

3/5/12 at 5:53 PM
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Obama Administration Justifies Killing Citizens as ACLU’s Jaw Drops

By Joe Coscarelli
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U.S. airstrike that killed American teen in Yemen raises legal, ethical questions



By Craig Whitlock, Published: October 22

One week after a U.S. military airstrike killed a 16-year-old American citizen in Yemen, no one in the Obama administration, Pentagon or Congress has taken responsibility for his death, or even publicly acknowledged that it happened.

The absence of official accountability for the demise of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, a Denver native and the son of an al-Qaeda member, deepens the legal and ethical murkiness of the Obama administration’s campaign to kill alleged enemies of the state outside of traditional war zones.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...al-questions/2011/10/20/gIQAdvUY7L_story.html
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Tkx8Grgo0_s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkDyKHYPO7g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SGWH3kirzg&feature=youtu.be

But by all means, keep being all smarmy.
 
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