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National Right to Carry Reciprocity Act of 2012” introduced in U.S. Senate
- Thread starter Bill Starks
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gogodawgs
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They are waiting for that now. And they will wait for that amendment all the time. It is no easier or more difficult with this bill.
Read the bill.
Dave_pro2a
Regular Member
Yup. Where are the major population centers?
Liberal states.
Where are the biggest state economies?
Liberal states.
Where is the most defense money spent by the Feds?
Liberal states.
Where is the culture shifting over the next 10-20 years in America?
To the left. Baring some unforeseen act of God that is.
If we let them do this now, then eventually it will be used against us.
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Metalhead47
Regular Member
No, the old "let's not ruin another thread with pointless round robin discussion when there are already plenty of threads for that" approach to forum etiquette.
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Dave_pro2a
Regular Member
Hey, what does CCW in national parks have to do with a credit card bill anyways?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_CARD_Act_of_2009
I'm just saying "turn about will be fair play.".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_CARD_Act_of_2009
I'm just saying "turn about will be fair play.".
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Hey, what does CCW in national parks have to do with a credit card bill anyways?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_CARD_Act_of_2009
I'm just saying "turn about will be fair play.".
Obviously nothing, but that's an old old practice and isn't going to be fixed anytime soon. Was that beneficial or harmful to gunrights? Can you point to one that harms gun rights?
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xd shooter
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BigDave
Opt-Out Members
Just received Cantwells response to the email.
To shorten her response I left out the review of Washington State Laws and Requirements.
And after reading her response, Mumbo jumbo comes to mind.
To shorten her response I left out the review of Washington State Laws and Requirements.
Senator Cantwell said:
And after reading her response, Mumbo jumbo comes to mind.
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Dave_pro2a
Regular Member
No, that's just a simple 'screw you.' Phrased as a po;politician would say it.
cbpeck
Regular Member
Like others, I also emailed Murray & Cantwell. Cantwell sent back the same canned message that did not state how she will vote. I haven't received a response from Murray.
Well. I was actually looking for one of these stealth amendments that further restrict gun rights. And, I'd like it to be a little more current since someone here believes we are entering a period of firearms law tightening.
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fire suppressor
Regular Member
Is this the same as constitutional carry?
xd shooter
Regular Member
It's called History. Those who fail to remember it are doomed to repeat it.
The point was and is that changes, amendments, riders, are added all the time to "other" non related bills, and passed because the larger bill just HAS to be passed, something like a budget or other last minute "have to get it done" kind of thing. That's how we get bridges to nowhere and high speed rail that no one wants to ride.
I don't know what other bill Title II was attached to, but it wasn't voted on by itself on it's own merits, and it was very detrimental to individual gun rights.
A Federal Carry Law opens up the door to just this type of additions in the future that will have to be watched out for and fought against every day.
The point was and is that changes, amendments, riders, are added all the time to "other" non related bills, and passed because the larger bill just HAS to be passed, something like a budget or other last minute "have to get it done" kind of thing. That's how we get bridges to nowhere and high speed rail that no one wants to ride.
I don't know what other bill Title II was attached to, but it wasn't voted on by itself on it's own merits, and it was very detrimental to individual gun rights.
A Federal Carry Law opens up the door to just this type of additions in the future that will have to be watched out for and fought against every day.
xd shooter
Regular Member
People like to use Driver's Licenses as a Prime example of why this bill should pass.
Well here's our Federal Government dictating to the states on how they implement their driver's license Program...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ct-strict-teen-driving-rules/?test=latestnews
The Federal Government doesn't issue Driver's licenses, but they are going to tell States to implement changes or else.
What will stop them from doing the same with your states gun laws and procedures?
"You need to enact these gun law changes or we're withholding government money"
Well here's our Federal Government dictating to the states on how they implement their driver's license Program...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ct-strict-teen-driving-rules/?test=latestnews
The Federal Government doesn't issue Driver's licenses, but they are going to tell States to implement changes or else.
What will stop them from doing the same with your states gun laws and procedures?
"You need to enact these gun law changes or we're withholding government money"
Phoenix David
Regular Member
So when you go to New York you have a New York drivers license? Who do you think made all states recognize each others drivers license?
Full faith and credit
BigDave
Opt-Out Members
There are always those that believe the sky is falling at every turn and either it is everything or nothing approach.
There will always be battles in our rights and laws that support or do not support everyone's views, this is not a reason to trash this that will let us exercise our Right to Keep and Bear Arms where we travel, except of course in States that do not have concealed carry.
Oh wait this would not make the States laws invalid as the anti group want to paint.
It is to reciprocate concealed carry licenses that will benefit Open and Conceal Carry as we travel around the country or in surrounding States.
There will always be battles in our rights and laws that support or do not support everyone's views, this is not a reason to trash this that will let us exercise our Right to Keep and Bear Arms where we travel, except of course in States that do not have concealed carry.
Oh wait this would not make the States laws invalid as the anti group want to paint.
It is to reciprocate concealed carry licenses that will benefit Open and Conceal Carry as we travel around the country or in surrounding States.
FMCDH
Regular Member
Metalhead47
Regular Member
I actually agree with Dave on this one.
The assertion that "this will make it easier for them to do xyz BEAFRIAD!" is complete bull. It won't make it any easier, or any harder. If the anti's want to throw a rider for a national ban & confiscation, or whatever, they don't need this bill to do that. They could try that at ANY time, with any bill. Like any other part of a bill, such a rider would still be subject to review by the SCOTUS. The Congress could also do the same with a NATIONAL CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY rider if they wanted to. These things DO go both ways you know, ie, the National Parks carry thing.
This is so simple to me I just don't understand all the resistance to it from our side! The right to carry for self defense is a NATURAL RIGHT. It goes beyond the COTUS or any other law. The States do NOT have the right to restrict carry at all in the first place! They are WRONG to do so! ANYTHING that goes towards reducing such restrictions is a GOOD THING. It is LEGITIMATE for the federal government to enforce the Bill of Rights upon the States.
REALITY CHECK: Ron Paul is never going to be president. We are NOT going to magically wake up one day to a Grand Libertarian Utopia with the COTUS restored to the original 10 amendments. We LOST our rights one bit at a time, and barring some cataclysm, that is also the ONLY way we will get them back! We must claim every victory we can, be they small or large, and stop forsaking the good in hopes of the perfect!.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
[h=4]There already is written into this bill something that infringes on citizens and states rights........no state requires I carry state identification......How do you say show me your papers in German?
H.R. 822
S. 2128 states the same thing.........I won't push for this bill.....
H.R. 822
S. 2128 states the same thing.........I won't push for this bill.....
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
I actually agree with Dave on this one.
The assertion that "this will make it easier for them to do xyz BEAFRIAD!" is complete bull. It won't make it any easier, or any harder. If the anti's want to throw a rider for a national ban & confiscation, or whatever, they don't need this bill to do that. They could try that at ANY time, with any bill. Like any other part of a bill, such a rider would still be subject to review by the SCOTUS. The Congress could also do the same with a NATIONAL CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY rider if they wanted to. These things DO go both ways you know, ie, the National Parks carry thing.
This is so simple to me I just don't understand all the resistance to it from our side! The right to carry for self defense is a NATURAL RIGHT. It goes beyond the COTUS or any other law. The States do NOT have the right to restrict carry at all in the first place! They are WRONG to do so! ANYTHING that goes towards reducing such restrictions is a GOOD THING. It is LEGITIMATE for the federal government to enforce the Bill of Rights upon the States.
REALITY CHECK: Ron Paul is never going to be president. We are NOT going to magically wake up one day to a Grand Libertarian Utopia with the COTUS restored to the original 10 amendments. We LOST our rights one bit at a time, and barring some cataclysm, that is also the ONLY way we will get them back! We must claim every victory we can, be they small or large, and stop forsaking the good in hopes of the perfect!.
See my above post and asking for more intrusion by an already out of control federal government isn't going to solve the problem either.
Just because we want to carry our guns almost everywhere now...doesn't mean we open the door for further intrusion, which this bill in itself as I just pointed out does.