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    Quote Originally Posted by aosailor View Post
    haha Will do! just remember, I'm not doing all 50lbs at once... the biggest boom I might do is probably around 5lbs.... but I'll make sure to video it
    I'm a photographer, can I come take pictures?
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    McVie made a pretty big boom with agricultural grade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aosailor View Post
    I think the thing that has freaked me out the most about all this is the fact the ATF knows where I live. My registered official address is different than the house I'm living at. I use several different addresses for mailing and billing. the only proof of residency for the house I physically reside in is the paper lease I signed. I have a copy and my landlord does, thats it. The ATF didnt go to the other address, they came straight to my doorstep and I have no idea how they knew
    when i was working street crimes unit, i developed my skills at tracking people down. it's an art, but there are a LOT of resources out there these days with the internet that makes it easier.

    ATF subscribes btw (as do many police agencies) to various NON Law enforcement intel search sites. you've seen them advertised, - intelius, etc.

    contrary to the common meme, imo it's "little brother" (private business, not govt.) that actually usually has more intel on you - they have by far the most surveillance cameras, and databases, and they don't face the law restrictions that LEO's do in compiling and sharing various kinds of info

    sometimes, some of the easiest tricks are the best

    one guy i was tracking down? i was having real difficulty locating him via conventional resources. he was pretty off the grid. but he looked kind of fit, so i took a chance and bingo - he went to 24 hr fitness. the local 24 hr had his checkin times, and lots of other info as well. it turns out he worked out LIKE CLOCKWORK same time same days. very easy intel to get and i was waiting for him to arrest him next time he worked out

    blockbuster, safeway, etc. are all good

    all are great resources. i strongly doubt the ATF used any of these, but my point is unless you are TOTALLY off the grid, it is not difficult to find you - especially for the feds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aosailor View Post
    I think the thing that has freaked me out the most about all this is the fact the ATF knows where I live. My registered official address is different than the house I'm living at. I use several different addresses for mailing and billing. the only proof of residency for the house I physically reside in is the paper lease I signed. I have a copy and my landlord does, thats it. The ATF didnt go to the other address, they came straight to my doorstep and I have no idea how they knew
    Do you have utilities in your name? Do you have internet at home? Use your cell phone at home? Cell phone providers spread their legs for federal law enforcement agencies, and would happily tell them where your cell phone is every night.

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    I take my 9yr old son out back and let him practice with his 243cal rifle so he'll be ready this coming deerseason. So he is used to shooting paper targets and plastic bottles. Well I snuck an exploding target on the backstop and had him shoot it. The reaction was priceless!!! Here is the video for those who want to see. It was app 1/5th of a lb of target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aosailor View Post
    Generally I'm the same, but since they were cool with my roommate and very professional with me on the phone, I decided I would be nice and cordial with them. The agent seemed more worried about me hurting myself mixing the components than buying so much. They knew I was ex-military, but only that. Once I explained I was an ordnance specialist in the Navy and now do UXO work as a contractor he pretty much didnt care anymore, had an attitude like "Oh, OK, you got this".

    I'll call them again when I go use some this weekend, see if they want to watch the fun... never had ATF come investigate us before, local Sheriff is getting bored with us lol
    I have to toss you a salute for that one. Having a range day with Tannerite, and just asking the ATF to come out and join is pure win. A part of me wonders, idly, if that might be a way to get some of their agents to be more pro-gun. I don't care what anyone says, most warm-blooded individuals enjoy a good old fashioned day of fun. Then again, I no longer believe some members of the government are entirely human, figuratively speaking, so who knows?

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5wLq...d_D-WojkoNQ%3D

    here is 1lbs of my custom mixture. I wish I could get a closer shot but I'm not too keen on putting my camera phone right next to this stuff as I shoot it...

    FYI my package showed up on Monday with no issues. though they shorted me 9 grams of my catalyst. Its ok though, I should be able to make do


    ****CAUTION**** the language isnt the prettiest in this video, I scared the sh** out of the girls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aosailor View Post
    I think the thing that has freaked me out the most about all this is the fact the ATF knows where I live. My registered official address is different than the house I'm living at. I use several different addresses for mailing and billing. the only proof of residency for the house I physically reside in is the paper lease I signed. I have a copy and my landlord does, thats it. The ATF didnt go to the other address, they came straight to my doorstep and I have no idea how they knew
    Cell phone contract/GPS locator in phone?
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    Update

    Just an update, yesterday was the 1st I got a chance to use my reactive targets. I made a 1pounder and two 4pounders. had an issue w/the 1lb, but both 4pounders were awesome! I called and invited the ATF agents, but unfortunately they didnt show up... oh well better luck next time!. As soon as I get the videos uploaded I'll post links for everyone's enjoyment. still needs some tweeking, but seems to work great

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XovLE...ztg&lf=mh_lolz

    here's one of the videos. closer to the end i show where the target was set and where the fire ignited. the explosion itself isnt flammable. I had it strapped to a bleeding zombie target and I think thats what started the fire.

    ***language warning for the video***

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    +1 on the video! That was great! That zombie never stood a chance...

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    When the Zombie Apocalypse comes, how are we going to get them to stand still and get strapped up with Tannerite?

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    ATF: "Why did you buy it?"
    You: "For my own pleasure. Have a nice day."

    "Tannerite is not regulated at the Federal level, or any state level for that matter.":Agent Jim Mathews, Des Moines field office. The only rules that apply is that, if used by citizens, it is to be used for sporting purposes only.

    I have been buying Tannerite, in 50lb amounts, for a year. Not a single person has questioned its legality. I have even blown them up with some members of the local sheriffs department! (Off duty, of course.)

    Most state laws regulate the possession and use of incediary devices, which Tannerite is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPackingMomma View Post
    I think it's good to be polite, and I'm not in any way dissing your choice to respond in that manner. Government agents are people too, and want to be treated as such. Good on you.

    I just really despise the ATF.
    here's how I treat gov't employees: with a slam of a door in their face!

    The ATF had no business harassing you. I would have told them to drop dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyHamlet View Post
    Here we go again.

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    Late posting of this, but I love this video clip!!! This guy is awesome! Thanks for the post up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    When the Zombie Apocalypse comes, how are we going to get them to stand still and get strapped up with Tannerite?

    Good question.... we might have to bait them to a specific spot, kinda like a deer feeder for deer, and have the targets already set up ready to be shot....

    I'll start developing some plans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aosailor View Post
    Good question.... we might have to bait them to a specific spot, kinda like a deer feeder for deer, and have the targets already set up ready to be shot....

    I'll start developing some plans.
    Perhaps a wine bar, with a discount for university professor brainiac-types? They claim to have bigger brains than the rest of us, so they might be good bait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker6900 View Post
    "Tannerite is not regulated at the Federal level, or any state level for that matter.":Agent Jim Mathews, Des Moines field office. The only rules that apply is that, if used by citizens, it is to be used for sporting purposes only.
    In the United States, ATF regulations allow the two components to be legally purchased, since neither one is an explosive by itself. However, the mixture is an explosive once mixed, and cannot be transported without following strict regulations including insurance, packaging, and signage on the vehicle. Various regulations also govern the storage of mixed Tannerite.

    I have been buying Tannerite, in 50lb amounts, for a year. Not a single person has questioned its legality. I have even blown them up with some members of the local sheriffs department! (Off duty, of course.)

    Most state laws regulate the possession and use of incediary devices, which Tannerite is not.
    You're right: Tannerite is not an incendiary device. It's not a "device" at all. Once mixed, however, it's an explosive. This is different than my bottle of Pyrodex, which is not an explosive. Rather, it's an explosive material which can be made into an explosive by enclosing it in a strong container, such as the firing chamber of my black powder revolver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aosailor View Post
    50lbs bulk.... it ended up costing like $3 per/lb. It was really easy to buy too, too easy. no questions of my age, criminal record, any personal info whatsoever!


    Where did you find it for that price? I found it for 4.25per lb plus shipping.

    I have wanted to make those targets but did not want to fork out the high cost of buying it off the shelf.

    Even at 6 per pound after shipping the AL is about 14-20 per lb and about 1lb Al should be enough to mix a good number of lbs of targets. It might be fun.

    so for 50 lbs 300 dollars and then 30-40 for the Al to mix it all up. The cost per lb would be approx 7dollars for exploding targets. Not cheap but not too bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NC-Heel View Post
    McVie made a pretty big boom with agricultural grade.
    No, he did not.

    There at least 2 explosions. The ANFO would not have been powerful enough to do that damage that was shown.

    ANFO is used for splitting rock because it's more of push and less of a crack bang so it does not vaporize the rock.
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    Here is a video of mine.
    It's a store bought 1lb container though.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hU7Y3Hh44Y
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    Quote Originally Posted by aosailor View Post
    I think the thing that has freaked me out the most about all this is the fact the ATF knows where I live. My registered official address is different than the house I'm living at. I use several different addresses for mailing and billing. the only proof of residency for the house I physically reside in is the paper lease I signed. I have a copy and my landlord does, thats it. The ATF didnt go to the other address, they came straight to my doorstep and I have no idea how they knew
    yeah, and since you immediately posted it up on a well known firearms advocates site, they likely have logs of your posts going back to god-knows-when hehe

    For all you know the place you bought it called them and told then that someone at your address was ordering a lot of bomb making materials...

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    I would be too!

    Quote Originally Posted by aosailor View Post
    I think the thing that has freaked me out the most about all this is the fact the ATF knows where I live. My registered official address is different than the house I'm living at. I use several different addresses for mailing and billing. the only proof of residency for the house I physically reside in is the paper lease I signed. I have a copy and my landlord does, thats it. The ATF didnt go to the other address, they came straight to my doorstep and I have no idea how they knew



    I was told by a cop friend under the Patriot Act they can come get you and detain until your kids are Grandparents...He said here in MS for me to blow these up I have to take a FREAKING EOD course and then legally I can play...Me being an Ex um military that want be hard to do but what BS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shannongto View Post
    I was told by a cop friend under the Patriot Act they can come get you and detain until your kids are Grandparents...He said here in MS for me to blow these up I have to take a FREAKING EOD course and then legally I can play...Me being an Ex um military that want be hard to do but what BS!
    The 2012 NDAA. Not only can they detain you with no probable cause or due process, but if the President says you are a terrorist, they can kill you. Look it up!
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