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    Awkward Situation at the Laboratory

    I am the manager of a sub-contractor to a large corporation.

    We recently had to undergo additional background checks and drug screens for all that would be working. This included office staff and managers.

    My wife, who is the office manager, and I went to do our drug screens together.

    They took her back first then it was my turn.

    The first thing they did was tell me to empty my pockets. I was carrying my .45 concealed iwb. I started emptying my pockets and told the lady I wasn't expecting to do that and that I had a firearm and did she want me to remove that too?

    She did not seem to know what to do. I asked if I could take it back to the car and she said that once the process is started I cannot leave.

    So, I took the whole firearm, holster and all and laid it on the counter with my wallet, keys, spare mag, etc. She said that it could not stay there as someone might take it. I then asked, well, if they may take my firearm, wouldn't they take my wallet too? Do you have a secure box? In frustration, she finally told me to just take it to the car like it was disgusting her.

    As I came back in, I noticed the little sign about waist high prohibiting firearms (It was about a 3 inch square see-through sticker on tinted glass, very hard to see).

    By the time I got back in, I was getting looks from everyone in the office and whispers as I walked to the bathroom to get them a sample.

    I'm thinking they were whispers in admiration of my .45!

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    This does not compute. What does what you have in your pockets have to do with a drug screen? (which, I personally feel is an afront to the 4th ammendment), also, what does your having a weapon, or not, have to do with a drug screen? That is bull.

    I have had to take that test before too, never had a problem with anything in my pockets, or my carry. What you have in your pockets cannot neutralize what is in the sample....makes no sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermannr View Post
    This does not compute. What does what you have in your pockets have to do with a drug screen? (which, I personally feel is an afront to the 4th ammendment), also, what does your having a weapon, or not, have to do with a drug screen? That is bull.

    I have had to take that test before too, never had a problem with anything in my pockets, or my carry. What you have in your pockets cannot neutralize what is in the sample....makes no sense.
    Some government agencies do this to make sure someone is not hiding a vile of "good" urine from someone else which they are planning on using once in the head. My wife has seen this when she worked in the government.
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    I have also taken DOT Drug Screens over the years and never once had to empty my pockets.

    I do not like Drug Screens either but I had to submit in order to be allowed to keep my job.

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    I just had to take a drug screen, and since I was coming straight form the interview I had no weapon. At the drug screen place they had a lock box to put your stuff into while you were taking care of business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    I just had to take a drug screen, and since I was coming straight form the interview I had no weapon. At the drug screen place they had a lock box to put your stuff into while you were taking care of business.
    Yeah, they had a safe where I had to do mine. Makes a lot of sense to me, as someone else stated, people that know they wont pass, will take with them viles of good urine to substitute their own.

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    That's why in the military they just watch you pee. So no emptying any pockets at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SigGuy23 View Post
    That's why in the military they just watch you pee. So no emptying any pockets at all.
    I got detailed to be an observer once. Talk about a bad day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscottie View Post
    I have also taken DOT Drug Screens over the years and never once had to empty my pockets.

    I do not like Drug Screens either but I had to submit in order to be allowed to keep my job.


    Must be a private deal versus DOT test. I have taken DOT screens as well and just went into the stall and filled the cup, nothing about emptying pockets or other bullshizzle.

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    The only way to ensure the integrity of the test is to do a strip search, then watch the flow of urine directly into the bottle.

    But, it's very hard to fake the proper temperature for urine. The screening bottle should have a temperature strip that shows if the urine is in the proper range, and that's going to cover almost every case of someone trying to introduce urine from a container.

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    Actually, it's not that difficult. Keep the urine container in got water until just before the test. They already do test for temperature, but you they get around it. Only way is to have them fully remove all clothing and watch them piss into the bottle.

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    Personally, I wouldn't have said anything about the firearm. You were told to empty your pockets, not your waistband.
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    Drug testing really irritates me! I understand why, and, have to undergo it at work also. HOWEVER, there are so many things that can testify to your lifestyle within the test it is a huge invasion of your privacy. For instance they can tell what brand coffee you drink. They say that they only test for the most common drugs and alcohol. Only the tester knows. They can test for untold number of things and only put the requested info on your companies report. Then sell the other results to other companies.

    I have been told I have to give them my social security number. I have been told that I have to give them my drivers license. One time I covered my personal address and driver license number information with black tape and the guy went histaric!

    Off topic, sorry, really irritates me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTHunter View Post
    Why was that? Were you reminded of a line from the old poster "Desiderata" ("Go placidly" - etc.) that said "Do not compare yourself to others as there will always be some greater or lessor than yourself."
    Nah the Internet can show you that. We had a few that could not go for hours because someone had to watch. Funny thing is because of the military I have no problems. I had a drug test for my company and they sounded all strict like they were going to watch like the military. I get to the place and tell them to hurry up I have to go and they just do the empty pocket thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack House View Post
    Actually, it's not that difficult. Keep the urine container in got water until just before the test.
    Having administered hundreds of them, I assure you that it would be very difficult to maintain urine in any container within the 4 degree zone on the temp strip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    Personally, I wouldn't have said anything about the firearm. You were told to empty your pockets, not your waistband.
    She had already seen my spare mag and then had made me raise my shirt to show that nothing was in my waistband. They also required us to lift our pant legs up and show that nothing was in our socks.

    There was no hiding my firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    Having administered hundreds of them, I assure you that it would be very difficult to maintain urine in any container within the 4 degree zone on the temp strip.
    Warning: eeeewwww factor....

    My dad was telling me that his friend, who is a parole officer, told him that when he has to verify a parolee is not back on drugs, they have to watch for them sneaking in urine filled condoms stuffed in their rectum. They stick it there because it keeps it the proper temperature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    Some government agencies do this to make sure someone is not hiding a vile of "good" urine from someone else which they are planning on using once in the head. My wife has seen this when she worked in the government.
    Which is silly. Oh, the silly games we play. Here's how I'd play the game, if I were Joe Stoner.

    *wear loose fitting pants*
    "Empty your pockets"
    *takes out keys, wallet and some change, leaves vile in pocket*
    "Ok, go give me a sample"
    *ta da*

    Some day, I really hope and pray, human beings will stop being interested in controlling other human beings. Or not. Probably not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscottie View Post
    She had already seen my spare mag and then had made me raise my shirt to show that nothing was in my waistband. They also required us to lift our pant legs up and show that nothing was in our socks.

    There was no hiding my firearm.
    Ah, see, you left those details out. :P
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    Its against Minnesota law that employers make you take any kind of drug or alcohol test unless they have just cause, like trying to fire you, for suspicion of drug use. I know that sounds absurd but what if they tested you and found nothing, now we could sue.

    Where I work the passed a rule requiring us to take them twice a year. We laughed at them and said "as soon as you get the state to OK it".

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscottie View Post
    I have also taken DOT Drug Screens over the years and never once had to empty my pockets.

    I do not like Drug Screens either but I had to submit in order to be allowed to keep my job.
    When "some folks" take drug screens, they cheat as a matter of principle -- not because they must.

    It makes them sleep better at night.

    The investment in equipment is well worth the price of not having to actually submit to that which is demanded against right.

    Incidentally, I'm sure someone's gonna claim this is a private initiative (and therefore right is not implicated), but I can prove it ain't.
    Last edited by marshaul; 03-20-2012 at 03:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KBCraig View Post
    Having administered hundreds of them, I assure you that it would be very difficult to maintain urine in any container within the 4 degree zone on the temp strip.
    LOL! How many times do you think you got played?

    Obviously you're underestimating the number.

    Nothing so trivial is difficult with sufficient understanding and motivation.
    Last edited by marshaul; 03-20-2012 at 03:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SigGuy23 View Post
    That's why in the military they just watch you pee. So no emptying any pockets at all.
    Ain't good enough.

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    I have over thirty years of military service. I was constantly being "randomly selected" because I was available for testing. I was never disarmed to pee.
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference .When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." -- George Washington

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    Every time I've ever taken a piss test I had to empty my pockets and wash my hands (bleach residue trick) but they always have a lock box for your stuff.

    I had a friend buy synthetic urine and pass the tempurature test just by keeping it close to their body (unless she vagged it, but I didn't ask). I swore fake urine would fail but I guess it works. You can buy it at the smoke shops around here.

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