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    DC US Attorney Holder 1995: We Must 'Brainwash' People Against Guns. VIDEO

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    has uncovered video from 1995 of then-U.S. Attorney Eric Holder announcing a public campaign to "really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way."

    Holder was addressing the Woman's National Democratic Club. In his remarks, broadcast by CSPAN 2, he explained that he intended to use anti-smoking campaigns as his model to "change the hearts and minds of people in Washington, DC" about guns.

    "What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that's not cool, that it's not acceptable, it's not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we changed our attitudes about cigarettes."

    Holder added that he had asked advertising agencies in the nation's capital to assist by making anti-gun ads rather than commercials "that make me buy things that I don't really need." He had also approached local newspapers and television stations, he said, asking them to devote prime space and time, respectively, to his anti-gun campaign.

    Local political leaders and celebrities, Holder said, including Mayor Marion Barry and Jesse Jackson, had been asked to help. In addition, he reported, he had asked the local school board to make the anti-gun message a part of "every day, every school, and every level."

    Despite strict gun control efforts, Washington, DC was and remains one of the nation's most dangerous cities for gun violence, though crime has abated somewhat since the 1990s.

    Holder went on to become Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton administration, and currently serves as Attorney General in the Obama Administration.

    The video of Holder's remarks was uncovered by Breitbart.com contributor Charles C. Johnson.

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    Please, where exactly is the quote of Holder saying, "really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way."
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    The quote is near the end.

    I think we're moving past criminal prosecution and well into lyn--- wait I can't say that, it would be construed as racist. It's not. Perhaps we should think of the climactic end of "Oh Brother Where Art Thou" when the crowd runs Mr. Clean Sweep out on a rail (after being tarred and feathered, of course).
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    The quote is near the end.

    I think we're moving past criminal prosecution and well into lyn--- wait I can't say that, it would be construed as racist. It's not. Perhaps we should think of the climactic end of "Oh Brother Where Art Thou" when the crowd runs Mr. Clean Sweep out on a rail (after being tarred and feathered, of course).
    Nice bate-and-switch. Can we please retain the context of Holder's speech?

    What he is referring to is the way that young people interact guns. This video is not about gun-control, it is about gun-interaction. It is about constructive ways of interacting with firearms; relationships to firearms. The context is to encourage young people to not carry firearms, and to alert someone to a younger person having a firearm or committing a crime with a firearm.

    Anti-smoking ads are brainwashing. Anti-kids shooting one another with firearms ads are brainwashing.

    A couple of photos to remind us how we ought to change how young people interact with firearms:

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    Yea, Im sure Holder is just trying to do that. F e n give me a break. This commie is just another anti American POS. Keep gulping the Koolaid. Him and people like him are the reason for the 2nd Amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wethepeople View Post
    Yea, Im sure Holder is just trying to do that. F e n give me a break. This commie is just another anti American POS. Keep gulping the Koolaid. Him and people like him are the reason for the 2nd Amendment.
    And yet you don't deny that the context I laid out is the context; you just believe there was an underlying, anti-2nd Amendment argument as well.
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    Holder's premise is that 'guns are bad'. But, numbers reveal the truth.

    I do not see similar numbers of kids with guns as I see numbers for kids and smoking. If kids and guns are a problem like kids and smoking then we would see kids packing heat out behind the school, during lunch, while having a 'secret smoke'.

    Using anti-smoking type ads for guns, aimed (sorry) at kids, is nothing more than a solution in search of a problem....that does not exist.

    Holder was then and continues today to....blow smoke.

    I'm not sure Holder has a 'underlying' anything where the 2A is concerned. He is anti-gun from a enumerated rights perspective.

    Then again, there has not been many politicians/bureaucrats that are not anti-gun/anti-liberty in one form or another.
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    Well, let's compare.

    1995 - Most states have no CHL provisions except, I believe, Florida. Concealed carry was a crime, and open carry, while theoretically legal, would get you an appointment to eat asphalt as cops throw you to the ground and arrest you. Most kids had *zero* idea about real firearms use or maintenance, and the sole source of gun knowledge for most of them were the highly anti-gun weenie shows of the 1990's. Gun ownership was, as I remember, somewhere in the 80 million person range.

    2012 - Almost all states have CHL provisions, and several have moved directly into Constitutional Carry. Concealed carry is so prevalent that even the anti's news now admits that we were right about carrying firearms being a deterrent to crime. Open carry is not only theoretically legal, but is now being acknowledged by most police as being a right, meaning, incidents of being harassed are decreasing *severity* wise, though we still get "consensual contact" probing to deal with. In many states hunting is seeing a renaissance. Firearms ownership and sales have skyrocketed. Gun ownership is estimated at well over 100 million persons (1/3 of our entire population).

    Looks like Holder was as competent with his propaganda campaign as he's been with all of his other projects, which is to say....EPIC FAIL!

    Oh, and the way to educate kids about guns is to expose them early and often to them en masse. Kids who understand firearms and respect them and what they can do are far less likely to hurt themselves or others with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    .......[snip] What he is referring to is the way that young people interact guns. This video is not about gun-control, it is about gun-interaction. It is about constructive ways of interacting with firearms; relationships to firearms. The context is to encourage young people to not carry firearms, and to alert someone to a younger person having a firearm or committing a crime with a firearm.
    Uhhhh....I thought the context was to start early and young to brainwash chitlins that guns are bad and no one needs them; gun control starting at the crib. Plus, the article references Holder's anti-gun campaign. Good try...but it don't fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbaron007 View Post
    Uhhhh....I thought the context was to start early and young to brainwash chitlins that guns are bad and no one needs them; gun control starting at the crib. Plus, the article references Holder's anti-gun campaign. Good try...but it don't fly.
    You ought to actually listen to what Holder stated. Holder was referring to teaching kids that firearms are dangerous, which firearms can be dangerous. I am not stating he is pro-firearm, I know that he isn't but there has to be better footage to levy the accusation than him speaking to firearm interaction.

    Obviously, it is a complex linguistic world we live in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostOfJefferson View Post
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    Oh, and the way to educate kids about guns is to expose them early and often to them en masse. Kids who understand firearms and respect them and what they can do are far less likely to hurt themselves or others with them.
    I absolutely agree!
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Holder's premise is that 'guns are bad'. But, numbers reveal the truth.

    I do not see similar numbers of kids with guns as I see numbers for kids and smoking. If kids and guns are a problem like kids and smoking then we would see kids packing heat out behind the school, during lunch, while having a 'secret smoke'.

    Using anti-smoking type ads for guns, aimed (sorry) at kids, is nothing more than a solution in search of a problem....that does not exist.

    Holder was then and continues today to....blow smoke.

    I'm not sure Holder has a 'underlying' anything where the 2A is concerned. He is anti-gun from a enumerated rights perspective.

    Then again, there has not been many politicians/bureaucrats that are not anti-gun/anti-liberty in one form or another.
    I muse have missed where Holder stated that "guns are bad." Can you please shoot me the time?

    There is a problem, children do not know how to properly handle firearms, and children are killed by firearms. Let me guess, next you are going to deny the Holocaust happened--ok, that was a bit dramatic, sorry. You get my point though.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Holder's anti-gun ads, similar to anti-smoking ads.

    Well, do anti-smoking ads actually 'say' that cigarettes are 'bad'? Or, do they 'say' that smoking is dangerous? So, dangerous does/may not equate to bad.....OK.

    Next, we will have photos on the outside of the gun packaging that shows the affects of gunshot wounds? Similar to photos on a pack of smokes?

    Holocaust denier? Degrees of drama? You could have, but you did anyway, not typed that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    You ought to actually listen to what Holder stated. Holder was referring to teaching kids that firearms are dangerous, which firearms can be dangerous. I am not stating he is pro-firearm, I know that he isn't but there has to be better footage to levy the accusation than him speaking to firearm interaction.

    Obviously, it is a complex linguistic world we live in.
    Must be...what I read sure is different than what you typed.
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    I always try to be as objective as possible...

    when listening to this kind of anti-2A drivel. Throughout his speech, Holder places the blame for violence upon the posession of guns, not upon the individuals misusing the gun. His intent is clear in his statement that he would "require every teacher in every school to teach anti-gun materials" (or words to that effect. I'm certain I'm paraphrasing, but not changing the overall meaning), and "It's not cool, not hip to carry guns.", without making exceptions for responsible adults who carry. The less obvious part of this speech, is that he seems to be speaking about the posession and violent use of guns by young people, inasmuch as he mentions young people and their infatuation with guns several times during this indoctrination. He fails to mention that the gun is an inanimate object - a tool (much like himself) - and incapable of independent action. By extension, his desire to indoctrinate today's children that "guns are bad", would result in tomorrow's adults finding themselves without the capability to counteract tyrannical actions by the government. Holder was appointed to his position by virtue of his left-wing, socialist-"progessive", Marxist-communist inclinations - as were all the appointable members of this administration. Which brings to mind a frequently - and wrongly - attributed quote (since nobody seems able to authoritatively nail it down) of one, perhaps several, of our Founding Fathers: "Those who beat their swords into plowshares, usually end up plowing for those who did not." (B. Franklin or T. Jefferson, take your choice) Pax...
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    If it's from breitbart, I would want to see the original, unedited video before I made any call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebobby View Post
    If it's from breitbart, I would want to see the original, unedited video before I made any call.
    The Breitbart link has already been posted in this thread. I found another, shorter version at http://www.2ndamendmenttv.com/page/9883.html. They both say essentially the same thing, Breitbart just takes more time to say it. Pax...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostOfJefferson View Post
    Looks like Holder was as competent with his propaganda campaign as he's been with all of his other projects, which is to say....EPIC FAIL!

    He did a pretty good job covering up the REAL people behind the OKC bombing...

    Holder will gleefully cover up ANY murder, mayhem, or terrorism perpetrated by the FBI, DHS or other federal agencies that perpetrate false flag operations in the furtherance of Federal power over the American people. He has a long history of this sort of behaviour, starting before his tenure under Janet Reno in the Clinton administration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    There is a problem, children do not know how to properly handle firearms, and children are killed by firearms. Let me guess, next you are going to deny the Holocaust happened--ok, that was a bit dramatic, sorry. You get my point though.

    Logical Fallacy Fouls:

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    2) Guilt by association

    And as much as I hate to play the "Godwins Law" card, this is clearly a Godwins Law Violation as well.


    Careful there sister, your emotional devotion to the current administration are getting in the way of logic, history and fact...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    There is a problem, children do not know how to properly handle firearms, and children are killed by firearms. Let me guess, next you are going to deny the Holocaust happened--ok, that was a bit dramatic, sorry. You get my point though.

    Actually, if you examine the statistics, LEOs "accidentally" or "wrongfully" kill or injur FAR more people each year than children, and I think we all can safely assume that a cop has a LOT more training with guns than your average 5-year-old.

    If we are to believe these statistics (as provided by the FBI and CDC), then the MORE training a person has, the more likely they are to actually hurt someone wrongfully or negligently with a firearm.

    Just saying...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
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