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Bikenut · Mar 22, 2012

TheQ said:
If they don't, the reporters will report that the sheriffs are constantly losing money and having to pay punitive damages to applicants. It will be a field day.

Election day will come for the Sheriff.

Hold on.... does this bill effectively do away with "shall issue" by leaving the decision up to the Sheriff like it was before?

Remember MCL 123.1102... a law with absolutely no teeth? Will this be another situation where the only "teeth" is public opinion?

xmanhockey7 · Mar 22, 2012

Bikenut said:
Hold on.... does this bill effectively do away with "shall issue" by leaving the decision up to the Sheriff like it was before?

Remember MCL 123.1102... a law with absolutely no teeth? Will this be another situation where the only "teeth" is public opinion?

No in fact this law has teeth. Lets say they deny you because well they just don't want to issue permits. If the court find that they're doing it just to do it they must pay the application fee plus a penalty of up to $500 and they have to pay for all legal fees (lawyer, court, etc).

WilDChilD · Mar 22, 2012

I was at the meeting this morning. It went well if your in favor of this bill. Only one opposed and that was just because of funding. Many people spoke with some very good points. I would like thank Q and any others that helped with this bill, I am excited to see it passed.

xmanhockey7 · Mar 22, 2012

WilDChilD said:
I was at the meeting this morning. It went well if your in favor of this bill. Only one opposed and that was just because of funding. Many people spoke with some very good points. I would like thank Q and any others that helped with this bill, I am excited to see it passed.

Sweet! I've been waiting for someone to post about it.

Bikenut · Mar 22, 2012

xmanhockey7 said:
No in fact this law has teeth. Lets say they deny you because well they just don't want to issue permits. If the court find that they're doing it just to do it they must pay the application fee plus a penalty of up to $500 and they have to pay for all legal fees (lawyer, court, etc).

Thanks Xman...

TheQ · Mar 22, 2012

Email about SB 59 being reported out of committee

Special attention and love given to Ms. Warren...

detroit_fan · Mar 22, 2012

thanks to those of you that made the trip today to support this. i'm not trying to get ahead of myself, but if it passed the committee so positively it seems it should pass the senate no problem. how are things looking in the house?

TheQ · Mar 22, 2012

detroit_fan said:
how are things looking in the house?

The word on the street is they are chomping at the bit to get it in time for the primary elections.

detroit_fan · Mar 22, 2012

TheQ said:
The word on the street is they are chomping at the bit to get it in time for the primary elections.

nice!

TheQ · Mar 22, 2012

Rick Ector is all over Facebook trash talking Hood.

https://www.facebook.com/MichiganCCW/posts/10150619270061452
https://www.facebook.com/MichiganCCW/posts/10150619236371452
https://www.facebook.com/MichiganCCW/posts/10150619220361452
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...&set=a.385504906451.165093.45421776451&type=1

Those are just the public comments. You should see what he's putting on his private page (you can if you are his "Friend").

detroit_fan · Mar 22, 2012

WilDChilD said:
I was at the meeting this morning. It went well if your in favor of this bill. Only one opposed and that was just because of funding. Many people spoke with some very good points. I would like thank Q and any others that helped with this bill, I am excited to see it passed.

What funding concerns were there?

TheQ · Mar 22, 2012

detroit_fan said:
What funding concerns were there?

Oakland County Sheriff complained they are getting more of the work, but not more of the money.

stainless1911 · Mar 22, 2012

Oakland county has one of the most funded police forces in the state. They have the resources to fly around in helicopters , have sports cars for cruisers and enough time to prosecute criminals and non criminals alike, they can just go sit in a corer and shut up.

Venator · Mar 22, 2012

stainless1911 said:
Oakland county has one of the most funded police forces in the state. They have the resources to fly around in helicopters , have sports cars for cruisers and enough time to prosecute criminals and non criminals alike, they can just go sit in a corer and shut up.

The under-sheriff stated they spend like $400,000 a year to process CPLs but only get like $170,000 back from fees. The figures are from memory, but I think are close. The point is they subsidize the CPLs in their county.

stainless1911 · Mar 22, 2012

Why should it cost so much?

When we present our case to Lansing for Constitutional Carry, it would be wise for us to bring these figures for every single county and use them to argue our point. It is apparently costing the state millions of dollars to maintain an unconstitutional system that only serves to empower criminals, and put lives at risk.

Venator · Mar 22, 2012

stainless1911 said:
Why should it cost so much?

When we present our case to Lansing for Constitutional Carry, it would be wise for us to bring these figures for every single county and use them to argue our point. It is apparently costing the state millions of dollars to maintain an unconstitutional system that only serves to empower criminals, and put lives at risk.

Ask the Sheriff.

fozzy71 · Mar 22, 2012

Obviously I haven't read the bill yet, but was curious:

If this passes, will someone with a CPL still be able to OC in the PFZ's like they can now (regardless of whether they have gotten the extra training)? I almost never go into PFZ's but I OC 99.9% of everywhere I go so I was curious if this bill would suddenly make CC required where OC was required previously.

Haman J.T. · Mar 22, 2012

For those who cannot afford the extra training,like me and those who make much less than I do,this is cost prohibitive and unconstitutional! I did mention in my emails to the 4 senators that I believe the hundreds or thousands of rounds a current CPL holder fires,prior to renewing,should give them automatic exemption on their new CPL!

stainless1911 · Mar 22, 2012

How much extra do you think its going to cost? You're talking about training, right? 200 rounds is about 85$ if you dont reload, 11$ if you do.

ETA If I can do what I can do with next to nothing, anybody can. I dont buy the "I cant afford" it excuse.

Yooper · Mar 22, 2012

stainless1911 said:
How much extra do you think its going to cost? You're talking about training, right? 200 rounds is about 85$ if you dont reload, 11$ if you do.

ETA If I can do what I can do with next to nothing, anybody can. I dont buy the "I cant afford" it excuse.

Ammo, class costs, baby sitters, gas, day off of work, etc.
I don't like paying for a right, and this is paying more for additional rights. I will call my Senator (Casperson) and tell him to support it, but let him know of my objections to it.

He is a co-sponsor of SB58, so I'm sure he'll vote for SB59.

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