Abortion Article

One of the authors at the HuffingnPuffing Post wrote an article about why they feel the US is stupid. The reasons are mostly about abortion, but also are about contraception to a lesser extent.

www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/womens-reproductive-rights_b_1345214.html

This week the Georgia State Legislature debated a bill in the House, that would make it necessary for some women to carry stillborn or dying fetuses until they 'naturally' go into labor. In arguing for this bill Representative Terry England described his empathy for pregnant cows and pigs in the same situation.

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Please, at the very least, read the 10 reasons she lists for her viewpoint. I warn you though, much of the article is thinly veiled feminist bile. Good luck wading through the putrid stench of garbage that is this article if you so choose to read it in it's entirety. I personally could not be bothered, I mainly just read the 10 bullet points.

The reason I post this is because I am interested in seeing how those that support abortion would view this article.

Ok, I made it through most of the 10 reasons before puking on my keyboard. There are solutions to these issues.

1. Adoption
2. Preterm delivery in hopes the child survives. It will help if the host allows for treatment to allow the baby to develop faster.

The left socialists ALWAYS need a victim to pass their anti American laws,in which cases,just to point out one."its for the children" but then they support abortion and even partial birth abortion and then disguise it by calling it pro choice. Pretty patriotic if you ask me.

Hmmmm... I didn't see a damn thing in it I strongly disagreed with.

But then, I read the entire article.

She, Soraya Chemaly, is not happy about what a Georgia legislator, Terry England is doing, so she posts a rant on the Huffing and Puffington Post. I wonder if it would have been more effective to submit this rant to the Atlanta Urinal Constipation?

She left off her right to keep and bear arms from her list of human rights.....who wudda thunk it.

You feed them, educate them, lift them from poverty and misery.

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Bingo....we finally get to the crux of her argument. The bait is women's health issues. Who could possibly be against women's health issues? Then this above little nugget is discovered.

Which is closely followed by this little gem.

safe and effective family planning is the transformative social justice accomplishment of the 20th century.

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Her beef is not about the body, but about the pocketbook. No body is denying access, they are denying payment, which she equates to access and she just ain't gunna put up with that. Equating the 'pill' and 'casual sex' with more serious female internal medicine issues did not work a week ago and it ain't gunna work next week.

Soraya L. Chemaly writes about feminism, gender and culture. She writes for The Huffington Post, The Feminist Wire, BitchFlicks and Fem2.0 among others. Follow at @schemaly.

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Just so ya know who this chick is, if you haven't figured it out by now.

Tess said:

Hmmmm... I didn't see a damn thing in it I strongly disagreed with.

But then, I read the entire article.

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How about reason #2, where she argues that abortion should be legal because women die from illegal abortions? Do you see nothing wrong with this argument? Perhaps we should also give flak jackets to armed robber because they might get killed if they are shot during the commission of an armed robbery.

Maybe you would disagree with argument number three, where she opens the argument by claiming that women are being charged with murder for the heinous crime of miscarriage. All the while failing to mention that the woman being prosecuted was a coke addict when she miscarried. But then, I suppose holding women to the same standards as everyone else and charging them with negligence is a horrible sin. Creating a special class indeed.

Then there is number 6, where she bases her entire argument on a fear mongering article based wholly on theoretical science that isn't even close to reality yet. Talk about a crumbling foundation.

This article, and the right wing response, are reasons why the GOP is going to lose so much of the female vote this Nov.

beebobby said:

This article, and the right wing response, are reasons why the GOP is going to lose so much of the female vote this Nov.

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ya got any proof to back up your contention? or, is it just what you want to have happen?

DCKilla said:

Ok, I made it through most of the 10 reasons before puking on my keyboard. There are solutions to these issues.

1. Adoption
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Let's tackle the first one, shall we:

How many children are in foster care?

Nationwide, more than 463,000 children live in foster care. In California, which has the largest foster care population than any other state, the number of foster youth has tripled in the last 20 years (Source: AFCARS Report 2009).

http://www.childrenunitingnations.org/who-we-are/foster-care-statistics/

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[h=3]What happens to foster youth who emancipate (age-out) from the system?[/h]

• 65% emancipate without a place to live
• Less than 3% go to college
• 51% are unemployed
• Emancipated females are 4 times more likely to receive public assistance than the general population
• In any given year, foster children compromise less than 0.3% of the state's population, and yet 40% of persons living in homeless shelters are former foster children. A similarly disproportionate percentage of the nation's prison population is comprised of former foster youth.

Source: California Progress Report. (January 17, 2007). "Expanding Transitional Services for Emancipated Foster Youth: An Investment in California's Tomorrow." The Children's Advocacy Institute.

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The Adopted Child

No. 15; Updated March 2011
Click here to download and print a PDF version of this document.
Approximately 120,000 children are adopted each year in the United States. Children with physical, developmental, or emotional handicaps who were once considered unadoptable are now being adopted ("special needs adoptions"). Adoption helps many of these children to grow up in permanent families rather than in foster homes or institutions.

http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/facts_for_families/the_adopted_child

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So, what we have here is a half a million children in foster care, and roughly a quarter are adopted. How is adoption working for you?; BTW, have you adopted a child lately? My mother, and both my grandparents on my father's side were adopted. I have no issue with the option of adoption but one complaint is there isn't enough of it done by those who think it is the primary answer to the abortion problem.

OC for ME said:

ya got any proof to back up your contention? or, is it just what you want to have happen?

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The proof will manifest itself in November. I have stated the same thing about Republicans losing the female vote. If I am wrong then the Republicans ought to keep talking about contraception, and such; stand by your Principles! it is inevitable that we will know what the discussion about contraception and abortion will have on the Republicans chances.

I have reade over the past number of years how terrible President Obama is, this election ought to be a cinch for the Republicans.

The fetus is me.

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Giving zygotes "personhood" rights while systematically stripping women of their fundamental rights.

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So...the author is a non person zygote with the fundamental rights of a woman?

This is about sex and property, not life and morality.

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I have a MORAL OBJECTION...

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Hmm. At least she's consistently inconsistent.

But, that does not mean you have any right to tell me that I cannot if I chose. That is my right.

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This, I agree with. No one has a right to tell you what to do, but the same applies in reverse. If you want contraception, don't think you can tell me I'm obligated to pay for your pills.

Texas just did that when it turned down $35million dollars in federal funds thereby ensuring that 300,000 low-income and uninsured Texas women will have no or greatly-reduced access to basic preventive and reproductive health care.

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Ahhh, now it's clear. How dare each level of the Government not provide for my every demand!

I am not crazy

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Debatable.

Birth control and safe abortions are life-saving technologies.

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Right. Because no women ever suffer ruptured organs or death from abortions. :uhoh: Because no baby ever died in a bucket in the corner of the room.



I think the reason the rest of the world thinks the U.S. is crazy is because of angry women like this, not because we aren't a 100% pro choice nation.

From most of the responses to this thread and other threads dealing with a womens reproductive decisions, I can see where people might think that the right wing is waging a war on women.

beebobby said:

From most of the responses to this thread and other threads dealing with a womens reproductive decisions, I can see where people might think that the right wing is waging a war on women.

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If Republicans think this is a politically positive opportunity, I encourage them to run with it. I am not an advocate for "all or nothing" politics but who am I to tell a party to cool their jets?!

The problem with the 'war on women' is that liberal men are fighting against conservative women. Ironic.

Truly the decision by the women of this country will be known come the 'day after'.

PistolPackingMomma said:

So...the author is a non person zygote with the fundamental rights of a woman?





Hmm. At least she's consistently inconsistent.



This, I agree with. No one has a right to tell you what to do, but the same applies in reverse. If you want contraception, don't think you can tell me I'm obligated to pay for your pills.



Ahhh, now it's clear. How dare each level of the Government not provide for my every demand!



Debatable.



Right. Because no women ever suffer ruptured organs or death from abortions. :uhoh: Because no baby ever died in a bucket in the corner of the room.



I think the reason the rest of the world thinks the U.S. is crazy is because of angry women like this, not because we aren't a 100% pro choice nation.

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Your opinion does not count.....traitor.

Beretta92FSLady said:

So, what we have here is a half a million children in foster care, and roughly a quarter are adopted. How is adoption working for you?; BTW, have you adopted a child lately? My mother, and both my grandparents on my father's side were adopted. I have no issue with the option of adoption but one complaint is there isn't enough of it done by those who think it is the primary answer to the abortion problem.

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You're absolutely right, the answer to all of life's problem is to kill stuff. There's all kinds of bad things in Africa, so let's just kill everyone on the continent. Carpet bomb it till nothing remains. That'll certainly solve the aids problem in Africa.

OC for ME said:

Your opinion does not count.....traitor.

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I figured I'm just one of those 'crazy' womenz that enjoys cooking dinner for her husband, lol. Somebody pull me outta the stone ages, quick!

Jack House said:

You're absolutely right, the answer to all of life's problem is to kill stuff. There's all kinds of bad things in Africa, so let's just kill everyone on the continent. Carpet bomb it till nothing remains. That'll certainly solve the aids problem in Africa.

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Don't encourage her. She might consider that a viable option.

PistolPackingMomma said:

I figured I'm just one of those 'crazy' womenz that enjoys cooking dinner for her husband, lol. Somebody pull me outta the stone ages, quick!



Don't encourage her. She might consider that a viable option.

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After all Hitler was right....and wrong....

That's the problem with positivism you can rationalize heinous acts as justifiable because it was done "legally".

Berretta, you do realize that U.S. makes adoption difficult, it is one reason why many adopt from foreign countries.

On a side note. Since you mentioned California, I wonder how many kids are in foster care/oprhans in Welfare states compared to less welfare states?

I am with Pistolpackingmama on this. The tables are slowly ever so slowly turning on this issue. Today the country is 51% prolife, 42% prochoice (not my data Gallups date). So the democrats have decided to muddy the waters and make it about contraception. Personally I don't use hormonal contraception, I don't care if someone else does, just don't make me pay for thier BC.

As for the "put your money where you mouth is, ADOPT" Those who say that often have not really looked into it. My husband I would be glad to adopt one 0-2 year old every year for the next ten years running. We looked into doing just that. Foster care adoption is often extremely invasive in your homelife, if you do anything odd--like eat organic food, follow a delayed vaccinations for your kids or heaven forbid give your four year old a swat on they bottom when they defy you--count on being denied. Additionally the children that are in foster care are often older and have been through scarring situations, I would love to help them, but I have a primary responsiblity to my children. Private adoptions are not usually considered for families with children already. So what are we left with, international adoption. That is very expensive, but we hope in ten or so years to do so. Perhaps from Brazil. I would be glad to adopt, and would do so if the situation was such that I could do so without putting my family at unaccpetable risk.