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Abortion Article

Tawnos

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She left off her right to keep and bear arms from her list of human rights.....who wudda thunk it.

While staying out of the shiat slinging this thread is inevitably headed towards, I will comment on this.

Much like the Bill of Rights is not an exhaustive list of rights, nor should the absence of a right being listed be used to say it doesn't exist, so, too, is this list non exhaustive. She says "I have these human rights." That is not the same as saying "these are the fundamental human rights and no others count." She's simply listing those which are relevant to the context of the article.

Now back to your regularly scheduled bile-blowing.
 

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Maybe I missed the part about women taking control of their own lives, empowerment. Nothing says, without a word being spoken, 'I'm empowered' like a chick packing heat. But, she did not list a fundamental human right, to keep and bear arms.
 

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The problem with the 'war on women' is that liberal men are fighting against conservative women. Ironic.

Truly the decision by the women of this country will be known come the 'day after'.

If by the "day after" you mean come this November. We will see whether females in America, in large numbers, want an outright ban on abortion, and contraception to not be covered by insurance. I am excited to find out, seriously.
 

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Ahhh, now it's clear. How dare each level of the Government not provide for my every demand!
Don't forget that this state rejects most federal aid and mostly because the state government doesn't want the fed telling them what to do. Has nothing to do with abortion and everything to do with fed vs state.

Here's a post I made on another site.

Jack said:
This is article is full of lies and misleading garbage.

#1, don't really know how true this one is. The source quoted says largely the same things this author does. If it is true, then that is a crap law and needs to be amended. But I doubt the veracity of this story.

#2 The author attempts to make it appear as though the laws prohibit abortions in life or death situations, where really what she references are women that die from ILLEGAL abortions. Sorry, but I have zero sympathy for someone that is killed while doing something illegal. Perhaps we should create a law providing body armor to all home invaders so as to reduce their chance of death as well.

#3 Here the author opens her statement by claiming that women are being arrested for the heinous crime of a miscarriage. What the author fails to mention, is that the woman was a coke addict at the time of her pregnancy. Last I checked, negligence was still a crime. It would seem as though the author desires to carve out an exception in negligence laws granting women immunity. Talk about creating a special class.

#4 Involuntary my ass. They are given a choice, no one is holding a gun to their head and forcing them to have an abortion. Unless this law also applies to abortions that are medically necessary. In which case, the law is utter crap and needs to be amended. But again, I seriously doubt that.

#5 This one is a little different. In one hand, if it were my wife, the decision would be hers. However, the argument you gave for it can easily be flipped around. So it's a stupid point to make.

#6 is little more than fear mongering based on conjecture founded on theoretical technology. It also, even if indirectly, argues against the development of new, life saving technology. Again, basing the opinion on conjecture founded on theoretical technology that is still long ways off. Further, the author pits women against men. Something she's really been doing this whole time, but this instance is the most hypocritical. The author wants the right to abortion, but wants to deny the right of the father to keep the child. It would seem to me that this is a great middle ground solution. The mother no longer has to be pregnant, and the father gets to keep their child. Reproduction rights have been all about the women, and have completely ignored the fact that it takes two to reproduce. Should there not be equal rights?

#7 I don't have much to say here. 24hrs wont kill you, but in the event that it could, then it obviously shouldn't be required and probably isn't.

#8 is more of an employer vs employee rights issue, not so much an abortion issue. I strongly support the 2nd amendment and constitutional carry movements, but I would say the same thing if the topic was whether or not an employer could prohibit their employees from carrying.

#9 Like #8, is not an abortion issue. It's a state vs fed issue. Texas rejects a lot of federal aid, not just health related.

#10 see #8.
 

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If by the "day after" you mean come this November. We will see whether females in America, in large numbers, want an outright ban on abortion, and contraception to not be covered by insurance. I am excited to find out, seriously.
Not sure what you mean by 'outright ban'. Not one woman I know, I reckon about several dozen or so, is pro-abortion. They do not desire the banning of abortion either. Abortion to these gals is a medical issue and not a social issue. If the doctor says abortion or bad things will happen then the decision is easy.

Abortion as a form of contraception 'after the fact...er, act' is what these gals disagree with. My wife typically provides this simple contraceptive advice....keep your legs closed unless you are ready, willing and capable of having and taking care of your off-spring. If you are incapable of keeping your legs closed, the contraception method and the cost is to be 'born' by the gal who can't keep her legs closed.

And yes, she believes that the guy is just as responsible as the gal. Keep it in your pants if you are not ready, willing and capable of having and taking care of your off-spring. If you are going to 'put it out there', so to speak, you better take precautions AND be ready for the unexpected.

Not one woman I know is for banning contraception, some of them have daughters. But they sure as heck do not want to pay for your contraception. They have better things to do with their money.
 

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I don't want to pay for anyones Viagra, but guess what? I am. I don't want to pay for anyone to have a baby, but guess what. I'm paying for that too. I would rather pay for BC than for a birth.
 

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This is silly...

The right is gonna throw every argument out there but none of it is relevant.

Only one argument is relevant and it's the only one that will matter in the debate. It's also the reason abortion will never be outlawed regardless of the incessant whining from the right.

When abortions are illegal normal women...

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that become desperate enough WILL seek out illegal abortions and end up like this.

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Period...

Abortion will never be illegal again in this country... Neither will contraception for that matter...
 
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That women has allot of problems, I don't even know where to start. If I had to call it, I am pro choice. I don't like abortion but I am not about to tell a woman what she can do, just like I don't want her telling me what to do. The government should stay the heck out of it. I also don't want to pay for someones birth control with tax money. Heck I don't want to pay taxes.

Adoption/Foster homes. My side of the family has adopted, tried to adopt an American baby, it was too difficult, ended up adopting from a different country. My wife's sister and husband are foster parents. That doesn't do them credit, these two have fostered at least 20 children, saw all of them through school and many into college. Right now they have 5 living with them, one was pregnant when she showed up at their door. Since then she has had the baby and is going to keep it, both live with them now and are doing fine. I do NOT have the necessary patience to adopt or foster children.

As far as women not voting conservative, well, I don't know one single women not voting conservative or libertarian. Actually many of the women I know, their husbands are liberal. LOL That's why I know the women better. I come from a huge, close family. During our summer reunions there must be close to 250 people there. The five I know voted for Obama, aren't voting for him this time.
 

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I don't want to pay for anyones Viagra, but guess what? I am. I don't want to pay for anyone to have a baby, but guess what. I'm paying for that too. I would rather pay for BC than for a birth.
From a cost stand-point, I agree. Abortion is used as a contraceptive after the act though. Expensive BC method.
 

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Maybe I missed the part about women taking control of their own lives, empowerment. Nothing says, without a word being spoken, 'I'm empowered' like a chick packing heat. But, she did not list a fundamental human right, to keep and bear arms.

You were so busy attacking the author that you couldn't see beyond your anger. The short of it: listing things that are good does not make anything left off the list bad.
 

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Not all agree that her list is entirely good. My wife read the list and chuckled at some of the authors assertions. My wife agreed with some and disagreed with others. I give her opinions more weight and credibility than most folks on this subject.

The chick came across as angry and singularly focused on a issue that is not solely about women's health but a combination of women's health and convenience, or inconvenience, depending on the circumstance.
 

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Not all agree that her list is entirely good. My wife read the list and chuckled at some of the authors assertions. My wife agreed with some and disagreed with others. I give her opinions more weight and credibility than most folks on this subject.

The chick came across as angry and singularly focused on a issue that is not solely about women's health but a combination of women's health and convenience, or inconvenience, depending on the circumstance.

This is the list I'm referring to, the one you took her to task for because it didn't mention arms:
The right to life.
The right to privacy.
The right to freedom.
The right to bodily integrity.
The right to decide when and how I reproduce.
 

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Abortion will never be illegal again in this country... Neither will contraception for that matter...
So your argument is that, because abortions will always happen, legal or not, abortions should be legal because women having illegal abortions are at greater risk of death. Correct?
 

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So your argument is that, because abortions will always happen, legal or not, abortions should be legal because women having illegal abortions are at greater risk of death. Correct?

Looks like someone's chomping at the bit to repeat/repost (for the third time in this thread alone) his response to this argument...
 
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