Last edited by georg jetson; 03-22-2012 at 02:48 PM.
Getting ready to go now... Printed out a LOCAL pamphlet, printing out copies of all relevant laws, etc...
OK you seem to have things going in the right direction.
But if it were me, I would get one of these http://microvideox.com/pen-camcorder.html, have a lawyer on stand by and stand out in front of the PD and wait for my arrest. I always wanted to retire early, MKEgal has hit all the points..
Last edited by F350; 03-22-2012 at 05:14 PM.
Ok, just got home from the meeting with Sheriff Williams. It went surprisingly well. He was very courteous and professional, and explicitly acknowledged that open carry is a legal activity. My friend accompanied me and made an audio recording of the meeting. I will make a post here shortly to give the full version of events and details (yes, there's more to it than what I just said -- I feel like we're getting somewhere).
Last edited by sraacke; 03-22-2012 at 06:10 PM.
Ok, now let me give everyone a proper explanation of how the meeting with Sheriff Williams went...
I met him at his office, accompanied by a friend who I brought along to witness the conversation. He was very polite in greeting us, and we sat down with him. I began by formally introducing myself and told him where I live. I then proceeded to explain that I open carry my handgun on a regular basis in accordance with state law: and that I have never been arrested and convicted of any crime, and have a completely clean record... and that I've carried for quite a while, and have never had a problem. Then I stated that upon a routine stop at the store "Swifty's", across from the police station, I was confronted and harassed by a man who said he was the Chief of Police. I then presented him with a printed copy of the dialog and version of events which I recorded immediately after the encounter upon arriving at home. He actually took the time to read it, so I just sat quiet for a minute and let him read. His first remark was: "'Who do you work for, BOY?' ... he said it like that?" I replied "Yes sir, and his behavior was openly hostile and belligerent." He frowned a bit and said "Well... that is not right at all... That was out of line." ...to which I fully agreed. He acknowledged that what I was doing was legal, and was not any reason for a police officer (especially one off duty) to confront me. He also acknowledged an understanding of the state laws, that open carry is legal and there is no such thing as an "open carry permit", and that I was completely within the bounds of the law. He further stated that he often has deer hunters traveling through town and 'his men' know not to give them or any other open carriers any trouble. He was clearly displeased with Martin's behavior/ignorance...
"But there's a good part and a bad part," he said, "...the bad part is that he doesn't work for me." I stated that I understood this, but I wanted to A) make him aware of the incident B) request that his officers are all properly informed of the laws. The good part, he said, is that Mayor Burke is a good guy and a reasonable man, and that he could have something done directly about this. And he suggested that I see the mayor asap and bring along copies of the dialog and the LOCAL pamphlet as well. I told him I already planned to do so, and he assured me that the mayor would be helpful. He went on to call in his chief, whom he referred to as his 'right hand man' and 'second in command'. He said that due to this incident, their next police meeting would include the topic of open carry and LOCAL pamphlets would be put in front of the officers. He said that he is pretty sure most of them in his department already know, but they will ensure that everyone is up to speed on the state law and OC. I'm very pleased by this, as now all the parish police will be properly informed.
The next step will be seeing Mayor Burke and trying to have something direct done about the incident. I've talked to a few people around town and all of them say that Adrian Martin is essentially a bully; or as one person called it, "a thug with a badge". He has personally harassed my brother and my close friend on numerous occasions, as well as quite a few other people I know. My friend who works at the Greensburg Market says that he often walks across the street to the Market and picks out someone to bash on and harass/threaten... something that happens all the time, if not every day he comes into the store. So this is not an isolated incident, and I think it's important for something to be done about it. And that is precisely what I hope we can accomplish in the coming days.
^Nice job. Keep us posted.
Total ignorance: an Obama supporter's stock in trade
OMG. I live in WA State and here we do not use the word BOY referring to you. I cannot for the life of me no how you kept your cool.
I could hardly read the story.
Best of luck.
From what I understand, he tries to pull that type of crap all the time on people around town. And he has some sort of affinity for picking on young men -- from the stories I've heard, he especially likes bullying young black males. He's used to them being afraid, ignorant of the law and their rights and getting lots of nods and "yes, sirs" and "no, sirs". But yesterday's incident wasn't what he expected, I'm sure. The fact that I knew what I was talking about, stood my ground on the issue, showed no fear and continually asserted the facts was not to his liking. I think it made it worse because the other customers in the store were laughing, and there was another little outburst of laughter when he stormed out of the store. I didn't find it funny in the least, and I'm taking it very serious. But I think the other locals were pleased that someone stood up to him in a calm and assertive fashion.
Last edited by Daylen; 03-22-2012 at 09:47 PM.
Don't believe any facts that I say! This is the internet and it is filled with lies and untruth. I invite you to look up for yourself the basic facts that my arguments might be based upon. This way we can have a discussion where logic and hints on where to find information are what is brought to the forum and people look up and verify facts for themselves.
"..... BOY? You see some boy aroun' here, you give him twenny' dollah." Haven't had anyone take me up on that challenge yet.
Last edited by Fallschirmjäger; 03-22-2012 at 10:24 PM.
You have two choices:
1) arrest him & shot the guy if needed
2) put the gun in your car
Sitting there and arguing is not a choice.
Pick a choice.
Last edited by davidmcbeth; 03-22-2012 at 10:32 PM.
Good meeting with the Sheriff!
Looking forward to the next chapter, meeting with the Mayor.
I think it might be more of the "I was powerless, now I can screw the rest of you" reaction.Originally Posted by Silverfox44
Think about it - that term, esp. in that context (powerful to powerless) - is most often used toward blacks.
Wouldn't surprise me if the chief had been on the receiving end a few hundred times.
Doesn't excuse him being a bully.
If I'm trying to get the attention of a minor, I might say "hey, kid".
Might even use that with someone considerably younger than me, say half my age.
And I have referred to someone's child as "your boy" (or "his boy").
But only in jest & with someone I knew would take it as a joke would I use "boy" in the way in which the chief did with the OP.
Last edited by MKEgal; 03-23-2012 at 01:45 PM.
Am I correct in thinking that in Louisiana is it legal to take an audio recording of a conversation so long as one or more parties to the conversation consent?
I was quite sure of this before I recorded anything, and I've been told this before by other people. It appears that the law says this pretty plainly. I just wanted to double-check to confirm. My friend recorded the conversation with Sheriff Williams. I consented for him to do so. We were not secretive about it, and he held his phone out the entire time in plain sight.
If everything is cool, I will share the conversation. I think you guys will be pleased with what the Sheriff had to say. The purpose is not to make him look bad at all, as it in fact makes him appear knowledgeable and polite (which he was). He's a good guy, and I trust that the St Helena deputies under his command will all be up to speed on OC. So next we need to make sure this is handled at the city level.
@ MKEgal: Of course not! Police officers, even the chief, should NOT be bullies! And we will hold them accountable for it as free citizens.
I think that might be right, but don't take anyone's word for it - look it up yourself. We're not your lawyers. Maybe go find some cases that involve the statute.
As a matter of etiquette, you say he had the phone out but was its recording nature also apparent? And was the possibility that the tape would end up on the internet mentioned or implied? A summary with highlights is good enough, I think; no need to have the recording online.
Last edited by Seigi; 03-26-2012 at 06:26 PM.