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    "Finger ‘gun’ lands dad in jail with son"

    My first thought, Surry Redux... but apparently not charged with brandishing, but rather "assault on a law enforcement officer by intimidation", and two misdemeanor counts of obstruction of justice.

    http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/news...jail-with-son/

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    A Fredericksburg man was charged with two felonies Tuesday after he pretended to shoot at two city detectives by pointing his finger, police said.
    The incident occurred outside Fredericksburg General District Court on Princess Anne Street following a preliminary hearing for the suspect’s son, city police spokeswoman Natatia Bledsoe said.

    Two detectives ... had testified against the son, and the father apparently wasn’t happy with what they had to say.

    Bledsoe said 58-year-old David Thomas Loveless was overheard making a comment about getting back at the detectives and made a gun gesture toward them as they got into their vehicles.

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    Dangerous weapon

    We all know just how dangerous a finger can be...we don't know where that finger has been.
    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." Thomas Jefferson (quoting Cesare Beccaria)

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    I can't say it was the smartest thing in the world but the Cops reacted just as badly. Is NOVA a haven for idiot cops?
    I guess that's where Richmond Cops that get fired for STOOPID....go. It used to be Hanover.

    I can see the recruiting ads now:

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    I can see the recruiting ads now:
    Judge Dredd's constabulary taken to new lows. Noomi Rapace's 'Lisbeth Salander' (Swedish Dragon Tattoo film character) might be Detective Chief Inspector.
    Last edited by Herr Heckler Koch; 03-22-2012 at 06:59 AM. Reason: correct spelling of Judge Dredd. Judge Dread is as cartoonish

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    Interesting that he wasnt charged with 'brandishing' too....

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    I have never been more afraid in my life
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    Now where did I hear that before?

    Now I'm not suggesting that anybody ought to be able to go around mumbling under their breath and such, but if the gesture described was sufficient to intimidate both cops simultaneously I'd hate to see what they go through when pulling a blue-haired old lady over for going 26 in a 25 zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark View Post
    ?

    Now where did I hear that before?

    Now I'm not suggesting that anybody ought to be able to go around mumbling under their breath and such, but if the gesture described was sufficient to intimidate both cops simultaneously I'd hate to see what they go through when pulling a blue-haired old lady over for going 26 in a 25 zone.

    stay safe.
    Maybe they are from the Culpeper area?
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    If they found that "intimidating", the F'burg cops must be a bunch of, well, you know. Sensitive people. And I wouldn't want to hurt their feelings.
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    They just use freedom of speech defense. If all those people can burn the American Flag and get away with it under freedom of speech, then is this not the same thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic View Post
    They just use freedom of speech defense. If all those people can burn the American Flag and get away with it under freedom of speech, then is this not the same thing
    i WONDER IF HE SAID "BIG BOY"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheriff View Post
    I think the guy in your image got a job in Mt Rainer, Maryland.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...5JSS_blog.html
    That wouldn't surprise me. There is a reason it's called Mary Land!

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    "Bledsoe said 58-year-old David Thomas Loveless was overheard making a comment about getting back at the detectives and made a gun gesture toward them as they got into their vehicles."

    I don't know... Dude made comments about "getting back" at the cops who testified. That is no different than intimidating a witness in any trial. Fuzz or not. This is what causes people to NOT want to testify in trials and permits thugs to get off for their crimes.

    And then to take it to the next level to let the po-po know that you are gunning for them by making a gesture you are "shooting them".
    Same thing applies. You are trying to intimidate a witness and make them think twice about participating in court.

    It is one thing to go get some surprise payback if that is what you really want to do. But when you speak out so they can hear you and you make a visual indication to remind them how they could get hurt while you would never act on it. But you are hoping to mess with them and get them to recant or not testify, or even lie so save their family from possible future harm.... I say that is wrong!!

    And for all those people who play like it is no big deal and the fuzz should just suck it up.... I can tell you I was scared to death one night driving in South East DC when I got lost. Dude pulled up next to me and started talking about capping my butt and started reaching under his seat. I thought for sure I was about to get killed. I was lucky he did not have anything but I can tell you... I did not find it funny.

    From the internet
    "An assault is any unlawful attempt or offer with force or violence to do a corporal hurt to another, whether from malice or wantonness; for example, by striking at him or even holding up the fist at him in a threatening or insulting manner, or with other circumstances as denote at the time. an intention, coupled with a present ability, of actual violence against his person, as by pointing a weapon at him when he is within reach of it. When the injury is actually inflicted, it amounts to a battery. "

    So it seems like indicating you want to shoot someone, as was done with a hand gesture, would actually be an assault. No different than walking up and showing your fists. Both ways are trying to scare someone. Right?
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    Heard this on the radio this morning, along with audio from the accused. His story? " I was lighting a cigarette."

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoom6zoom View Post
    Heard this on the radio this morning, along with audio from the accused. His story? " I was lighting a cigarette."
    Are you for real??? hahaahahaaah!!! And the talk about "getting back at them" was... the about the tobacco company? haahah

    I am going to have to follow this story.

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    David codrea has picked up on this

    See here:

    We're the Only Ones Fingered Enough

    I wonder if O could pass the 'Surry Test' -- just wondering ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    My first thought, Surry Redux... but apparently not charged with brandishing, but rather "assault on a law enforcement officer by intimidation", and two misdemeanor counts of obstruction of justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post

    Terrifying, just terrifying!
    ummm... she can point anything she wants to at me. just sayin'...
    “For life, liberty and Little Lizzie.” - John Connor (2005)

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    Obama say "bang, bang"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheriff View Post
    I think the guy in your image got a job in Mt Rainer, Maryland. Here's a story about him.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...5JSS_blog.html

    I am SOOOOO stealing this link, an putting it in my "MD Bad Boy LEOs" thread.

    Thanks for the tip--this one slipped under my radar...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mk4 View Post
    ummm... she can point anything she wants to at me. just sayin'...

    She would probably be charged with "poaching", "Spotlighting" and "illegal nighttime hunting" if she did that near an LEO, because she is OBVIOUSLY displaying a couple of high-beams along with that dangerous "finger gun"...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post

    Terrifying, just terrifying!
    Quote Originally Posted by mk4 View Post
    ummm... she can point anything she wants to at me. just sayin'...
    Don't worry about the finger gun, the torpedos are more dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf_shadow View Post
    Don't worry about the finger gun, the torpedos are more dangerous.
    Ah. I remember the 50's well

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Ah. I remember the 50's well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf_shadow View Post
    Don't worry about the finger gun, the torpedos are more dangerous.
    Da... errr... Bless the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!
    “For life, liberty and Little Lizzie.” - John Connor (2005)

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    Gentlemen, back on topic please and no more pictures that do not relate to the subject.

    To think I contributed to that so innocently
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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