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Gun on his hip, state Sen. Arlan Meekhof demonstrates his support for allowing CC

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A state lawmaker pulled back his jacket today in a Senate committee hearing to reveal his holstered gun, a dramatic statement in support of carrying concealed pistols in areas now banned.

State Sen. Arlan Meekhof, R-West Olive, said he almost always carries the concealed gun during Senate business, which is legal for permit holders.

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http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/03/gun_on_his_hip_state_sen_arlan.html
 

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It's worth noting, MOC doesn't consider IWB Carry (unless the gun is between the belt and waistband and not truly in the waistband) to be "Open Carry". At least one Michigan Court has said so.
 

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The article said that those wishing to carry concealed in PFZ would have to undergo an additional 9 hours of training and fire 94 rounds. What exactly does this 9 hours of training consist of, what material does the state expect citizens to become competent in?
 

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The article said that those wishing to carry concealed in PFZ would have to undergo an additional 9 hours of training and fire 94 rounds. What exactly does this 9 hours of training consist of, what material does the state expect citizens to become competent in?
The training will be basically the NRA personal defense outside the home. The details are being worked on. The state doesn't expect anything from the training, it's there to placate the public and others that may oppose the bill. It was mentioned that Michigan will have the best trained CPL holders in the country, or at least the most expensive CPLs...:(
 

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or at least the most expensive CPLs...:(


The most liberty oriented CPLs too. Show me another state that has a concealment license where the only place you couldn't carry is state-overseen casinos and courts. Even the so-called "Constitutional Carry" states have restrictions.
 

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Wonderful news. Thanks to all of us who called the committee members. Our calls do matter. I just have to ask......who was the NO vote?
 
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The most liberty oriented CPLs too. Show me another state that has a concealment license where the only place you couldn't carry is state-overseen casinos and courts. Even the so-called "Constitutional Carry" states have restrictions.
We ain't there yet, lets not count our chickens... I don't know all the states laws, but some states have very few GFZs and lower costs with no training requirements. Many states have no requirements to carry most anywhere OC as well as CC in their vehicles.
 

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The training will be basically the NRA personal defense outside the home. The details are being worked on. The state doesn't expect anything from the training, it's there to placate the public and others that may oppose the bill. It was mentioned that Michigan will have the best trained CPL holders in the country, or at least the most expensive CPLs...:(
Most expensive YES!For those who cannot afford it,this does nothing for their ability to exercise their Right! He should have taken his hanky(like a magician would) and place it over his gun,showing the difference between OC and CC,and the difference in cost between the two! Why does common sense take sooooo looooong!
 

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The training will be basically the NRA personal defense outside the home. The details are being worked on. The state doesn't expect anything from the training, it's there to placate the public and others that may oppose the bill. It was mentioned that Michigan will have the best trained CPL holders in the country, or at least the most expensive CPLs...:(

Probably both, I see the additional training to cost 50 to 150 dollars additional, or whatever the NRA class costs if you were to take it as a stand alone class.

The most liberty oriented CPLs too. Show me another state that has a concealment license where the only place you couldn't carry is state-overseen casinos and courts. Even the so-called "Constitutional Carry" states have restrictions.

The statement brought up another worry, will we loose reciprical agreements with other states? Since or restrictions have been lowered? That would certainly be a serious concern. Right now MI CPL's are the most recognized license to be had.

1 last thing could we get a non-resident license abillity in this bill?? That would be a great way for some extra funds for MI.
 
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Probably both, I see the additional training to cost 50 to 150 dollars additional, or whatever the NRA class costs if you were to take it as a stand alone class.



The statement brought up another worry, will we loose reciprical agreements with other states? Since or restrictions have been lowered? That would certainly be a serious concern. Right now MI CPL's are the most recognized license to be had.

1 last thing could we get a non-resident license abillity in this bill?? That would be a great way for some extra funds for MI.

Please show me where in this bill we lose reciprocity? I simply don't see it. Our training requirement are actually becoming slightly harder. And if we started issuing non-resident permits we could risk losing reciprocity. Reference the state of Nevada regarding all states that issued non-resident permits.
 

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The statement brought up another worry, will we loose reciprical agreements with other states? Since or restrictions have been lowered?

Huh? How would where our state allows its own residents to carry have any effect on another state? You keep coming up with niggling little arguments that don't make sense. Who are you and what have you done with NCHEDOIINVLSJO47859374H3OH?

Bronson
 

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The statement brought up another worry, will we loose reciprical agreements with other states? Since or restrictions have been lowered? That would certainly be a serious concern. Right now MI CPL's are the most recognized license to be had.

1 last thing could we get a non-resident license abillity in this bill?? That would be a great way for some extra funds for MI.

The worse that would happen is foreign states won't recognize the PFZ aspect of our CPL. "When in Rome,. do as Romans do". If State X doesn't allow bar carry you may not be permitted to carry in a bar there, despite your MI Exemption.
 

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The worse that would happen is foreign states won't recognize the PFZ aspect of our CPL. "When in Rome,. do as Romans do". If State X doesn't allow bar carry you may not be permitted to carry in a bar there, despite your MI Exemption.

I was thinking about something today regarding this. I believe the state of Missouri has a similar law in that if you take extra training you are exempt from PFZs. What if more states start doing this? I wonder if we and other states will start granting not only reciprocity/recognition of the permit but also being exempt from PFZs.
 

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I was thinking about something today regarding this. I believe the state of Missouri has a similar law in that if you take extra training you are exempt from PFZs. What if more states start doing this? I wonder if we and other states will start granting not only reciprocity/recognition of the permit but also being exempt from PFZs.


Concerns about reciprocity handling of the additional exemption is probably something best hammered out in another bill after we have some experience behind us with this bill. I don't see this bill harming our reciprocity.
 
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