"How many people, that are a threat, are on hard drugs? I would say that a large percent of them are. With any hard drug and adrenaline people can continue to fight through a large amount of pain (Fact)."
Opinion, actually.Yes, like a .22 being effective at it's task-sometimes, so being on hard drugs sometimes diminishes the effects of pain, etc. in disabling a threat.But not always.
I tried to find the link to demonstrate this-maybe one of the other forum-members know where it is-but a fellow forum-member here, who was forced into firing in self-defense a few months back ( a video from the security cams at the gas station where the incident occured was included) shot a guy (but with a proper fighting round =.45acp) who turned out to be on drugs, and dropped him immediately, on-the-spot.
That boy went DOWN. And he most certainly did not get back up on his own. The ironic part, is that the drugs turned out to be the only reason the guy had survived the shot- as the drugs had slowed his motabalism a lot. Supposedly, the shot would have most likely been quiet fatal.
But live or not, that threat was stopped immediately despite the drugs.
There's no absolutes here, either way.
Do you really think that it is an opinion that some drugs or even alcohol diminish felt pain? Are you aware of what morphine is? I thought it had something to do with lessening the effects of pain, but what do I know I am not a doctor.
Also, are you trying to imply that adrenaline mixed with anything doesn't help people over come felt pain? Adrenaline alone has kept people from passing out from sheer pain, I don't think that being high off of certain drugs would lessen this effect.
So what you are saying with your story is that a .45 knocked someone down? That does disprove my point if I was saying that a .45 isn't capable of stopping a threat on drugs. But that is no where near my point at all.
I will, once again, state what I am arguing. Quit acting like it implies anything else.
A .22 has a lower percent chance of immediately incapacitating a threat than common defensive calibers using modern defensive rounds. AND
The target being high or a particular build or of particular aggression can diminishes this percentage even more and (since one seems to not understand this) the
lethality isn't the only thing you need to take into account. It is known that a .22 can cause a death of a human. The .22 round has killed a lot of people, BUT it does not do any good to kill someone if they killed you 1st. So you understand, I am not talking about zombies. If person A shoots person B, B kills A through any means, and then B expires do to ANYTHING from injuries sustained from being shot by A.
I hate talking to you like idiots because I am sure you are not. I shouldn't have to explain everything as if I was talking to a four year old. You are old enough to understand what I am saying. And I shouldn't have ask you to think with some logic.
Does one (out of three) cite where it actually does immediately incapacitate a threat disprove or even diminish what I am saying? Slightly, now find others that have had the same outcome. Does a story about someone getting put down with a .45 disprove or diminish what I am saying? No, that actually supports what I am saying. Just because other calibers with defensive rounds failed to immediately incapacitate a threat, does that disprove or diminish what my point is? Sure, if the .22 has similar numbers.
Do I need to cite this? I shouldn't because 2 out of 3 (66%) of cites provided proved this point. Right now we are at 2/3 with a .22 killed the threat but didn't immediately incapacitate the threat. 1/1 of the .45's did. In my opinion incapacitation is crucial to choosing a defensive round. You want to stop the threat on your terms. Not his or her terms.
Would anyone here argue that a .22 can do anything and everything a common defensive rounds can do?
If anyone wants to disprove what I am saying (bold if you already forgot) then cite a case where common defensive rounds failed to put down a threat but a .22 in the same general location (at roughly the same point in time on the same person) did. Or you could find percent of people
immediately incapacitated by a .22 and other rounds. If the .22 is up there with common defensive calibers/rounds then I will apologize for my unsupported argument. If you can't disprove what I am saying, then quit acting like I am stupid for saying it and quit acting like this is a p!ssing contest.
