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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberty4Ever View Post
    It sounds like another case of a local government elected official not knowing the law and thinking he IS the law in his town.

    To summarize, the city can't regulate open carry ANYWHERE. The areas where open carry is not allowed are created by state and federal laws. Concealed carry may be regulated in government buildings (roof and walls) but only after that policy is passed as a local ordinance. The proper signs must be conspicuously posted at the entrances, and the buildings can't be residences. There can be no criminal penalty assessed for violation of the no CCDW local ordinance. Employees of the city have a different situation. Their employer (the city) can establish employee rules prohibiting guns at the workplace (locked in the car in the parking lot should be OK).

    There are several ways to proceed. Some have recommended being cagey and not showing your hand too soon. There is value in that strategy sometimes. I generally prefer the other approach. I keep some strategic information in reserve, but I usually prefer to share as much public information as soon as possible, in a friendly, helpful and non-threatening manner. If they're going to be jerks about it, it'll become contentious soon enough, but I don't want to be the one to start in that direction. I'll err on the side of assuming they're well meaning but misinformed, and I'll try to correct their ignorance by showing them the law.

    Here's a good Kentucky League of Cities checklist to help the city determine what's legal and what isn't:
    http://www.klc.org/sectionArticles.a...al/Legal%20New

    I also record almost all of these conversations, in person or over the phone. I want a record of what was said... by both parties. It can be very handy later.

    It's a pity that we can't fix this problem and be done with it. We seem to be condemned to constantly fight these battles over and over. It costs us time and money, and our tax dollars PAY our elected bureaucrats to repeatedly deprive us of our rights. It not only costs them nothing, it actually pays!

    Good luck!
    Thanks for the link. Very interesting to see that info on the KLC website that is in very plain language. It would be hard not to understand that. I assume this is the same paperwork that you have shown to LFUCG?
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    Quote Originally Posted by self preservation View Post
    I spoke to the mayor Friday. He showed me the signs that they are planning on putting up. The wording was "NOTICE IT IS ILLEGAL TO CARRY A FIREARM, DEADLY WEAPON OR DANGEROUS ORDNANCE ANYWHERE ON THESE PREMISES Unless otherwise authorized by law,
    See, the sign isn't illegal because of "Unless authorized by law". Well, are you authorized by law to openly carry a gun? Yes, so the sign doesn't apply to you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by flb_78 View Post
    See, the sign isn't illegal because of "Unless authorized by law". Well, are you authorized by law to openly carry a gun? Yes, so the sign doesn't apply to you.

    Well................now that you put it that way..haha.. But you do have a damn good point To bad other people dont know that the law is on their side with this issue. They see a sign and assume it illegal to carry. Know your rights, folks!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    The sign is illegal. How the signs are to be enforced is the big question. We have all been "authorized by law" to carry guns in the Owingsville City Hall, by the state constitution. Those of us who have a CCDW have also been "authorized" by KRS 237.110 and KRS 237.115. The mayor has volunteered that he "didn't want them in city hall" and that it is "illegal". Illegal means a violation of the law. Where is that law? It doesn't matter what he wants. What matters is what the law says. Its not his building, it belongs to "the people", all of us. Did you ask what he intends to to do if he sees a gun in city hall? Does he intend to punish this "illegal" act. These signs are an attempt to intimidate citizens out of their rights. The bottom line is the Mayor has exceeded his authority by doing this. This attempt at gun control is a direct violation of the Ky. state constitution, KRS 237.110, KRS 237.115, KRS 237.104, and KRS 65.870, both the existing version and the new one. The mayor is using his authority as a public official to restrict a civil right. That is illegal. Do you intend on challenging him on this? Do you feel comfortable talking to him about the laws involved and do you think they will hold it against you if you challenge him? What kind of man is he? You live there and will have to live there after this is over. In some places all it takes is a short education in the law and that's the end of it. In other places there is a lot of arguing and hard feelings and wounded egos. If you are not comfortable with any of this or it gets to be more than you are comfortable with, let me know. I would rather you did it. Its your home town and the whole point is for each of us to clean up there own area, but it is often better for an outsider to do it. They can't retaliate against me. I would be glad to come to Owingsville and OC in city hall or we could go talk to him together, your choice. Unless this mayor is a real hardass i wouldn't expect it would be too difficult to settle this, but I don't know him, you do. In the worst case, I don't care if I am arrested, you might. The worst thing that can happen is to start on it and then quit, allowing them to win. It has to be a fight to the finish, one winner and one loser. If you want to try to convince him to not put up those signs I'd be glad to help you with a short lesson or two. Let us all know what develops and what you intend doing.
    Yes sir, I agree with what you say. I do live in the city of Owingsville but an not affliated with the city itself. So they can get mad at me all they want. I am a public figure (Volunteer Fire Chief of a county FD) but the city of Owingsville doesnt have a thing to do with that. I really think that this is just a case of "I didnt know any better". I may have to eat my words but I think after a little education the signs will be send back to where they got them or thrown away. I did OC the other day (at city hall) when I talked to the Mayor (friday). He saw it but never said anything about it. I do have an appt. with him Monday to discuss this issue. I have been studing what you guys have been posting, KRS, KY constitution, KLC and anything else I can. I have had 1 forum user agree to meet me Monday to talk with the Mayor, and have had several other OCDC users offer to come with me. As far as our conversation friday, Per the advice of another OCDO user, I didnt say a whole lot. I just ask if I could meet with him Monday to discuss these signs. The only thing I ask is if it pertained just to city hall and the Owingsville fire station (same building) or all city property. He said he wouldnt drive to the city garage everytime someone pulled up to check for a gun, but he didnt want them in city hall. The fire station never came up. I am "rookie" at this but I'm not going to let it go, plus it looks like I may be getting some help from some of you veterans (in the form of actually being in Owingsville or by the great info you provide on this site). I did say that I wanted to discuss some possible conflicting issues with what he was doing. He seemed very interested and said "please, by all means let me know what you find out". He seemed sincere to learn but may tell me to go F myself come monday. I may have misread him but time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    Very interesting. Owingsville has listed its city ordinances on American Legal Publishing.

    Go to:

    www.amlegal.com/nxt/gateway.dll/Kentucky/owingsville_ky/cityofowingsvillekentuckycodeofordinance?f=templat es$fn=default.htm$3.0$vid=amlegalwingsville_ky

    Then click on Title XIII in the left hand column. Then click Chapter 136. Now on the main page, Scroll down the page about half way and, under "Firearms and Weapons", guess what we have. A summary of KRS 65.870. On their own ordinance page.
    Interesting..Now is this Owingsville, or a generic? I know it says O'ville but is it their ordiance page???If so, how sad they missed/ignored this. Great find by the way... The mayor will see this page Monday as well..Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    I think you are right. I think this one will be solved very easily, without any hard feelings. I checked and Owingsville is a member of Ky. League of Cities. Take a copy of their webpage with the "can's" and "cannot's" and the mag. article. If he has any lingering doubts, tell him to call them.
    I'm printing out a packet to take with me to present to him. Like I said, another OCDO member has agreed to come with me with his own paperwork. Which I'm sure is better than mine) If he is able to make it I will let him present/or have me present his paperwork. If in case that the other member isnt able to make it due to last minute change of plans, I will have my stuff ready. I think I could cover the basics but if the mayor wants to get real, real in depth with it I may need some help...like I said, I'm a rookie.....so I hope he can show..if not I understand and willhandle it the best I can.
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    I think what speaks volumes to our public officials is the possibility of a lawsuit. I would stress that by their actions, they would be opening themselves up to CIVIL liability and would stand to lose thousands and now that HB 500 has passed, they are opening themselves up to CRIMINAL liability--especially if you have made them aware of the law and they ignore it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by langzaiguy View Post
    I think what speaks volumes to our public officials is the possibility of a lawsuit. I would stress that by their actions, they would be opening themselves up to CIVIL liability and would stand to lose thousands and now that HB 500 has passed, they are opening themselves up to CRIMINAL liability--especially if you have made them aware of the law and they ignore it.
    If KYGlockster can make it then I'm sure all proper paperwork will be there and he will be able to educate far better than I can. If for some reason he cant make it, I'm going to present HB500, KRS 65.870, the page from KLC, the page from the Owingsville ordiance page that mention the KRS. I really think this meeting with the mayor will be an easy fix but if not, I will address the city counsel in a public, recorded forum at the right time.
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    I attempted to set through the Lawrence County fiscal court meeting to see if they attempted to change their ordinance at all. I was removed from the meeting flanked by the sheriff and a deputy (woman I never seen before wearing a polo shirt with the sheriff emblem).

    He said "You do know HB 161 didn't pass don't you?"
    "161?"
    "The one that regulates open carry."

    I told him that we didn't need 161 because we already had 65.870 (he had the printed out) and said I was still in violation. This does not look like it is going to go easy. I didn't have time to turn my recorder (phone) on.

    He said something about an AGO about "house rules", but would not show me that paper for long. He said 65.870 refers ONLY to peoples HOUSES and do not include government buildings. He continued to say that it is illegal to carry into the sheriff dept. and the WHOLE courthouse (County attorney's office, Clerks office, etc.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    I attempted to set through the Lawrence County fiscal court meeting to see if they attempted to change their ordinance at all. I was removed from the meeting flanked by the sheriff and a deputy (woman I never seen before wearing a polo shirt with the sheriff emblem).

    He said "You do know HB 161 didn't pass don't you?"
    "161?"
    "The one that regulates open carry."

    I told him that we didn't need 161 because we already had 65.870 (he had the printed out) and said I was still in violation. This does not look like it is going to go easy. I didn't have time to turn my recorder (phone) on.

    He said something about an AGO about "house rules", but would not show me that paper for long. He said 65.870 refers ONLY to peoples HOUSES and do not include government buildings. He continued to say that it is illegal to carry into the sheriff dept. and the WHOLE courthouse (County attorney's office, Clerks office, etc.)
    I have been googling but cant find any good details on HB 161. Can someone explain what this is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by self preservation View Post
    I have been googling but cant find any good details on HB 161. Can someone explain what this is?
    That bill was scraped in the house. Didn't get very far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comm View Post
    That bill was scraped in the house. Didn't get very far.
    What did the bill say? the Sheriff seemed to think it was important because he brought it up. How does this failing affect KRS 65.870 and HB 500?
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    There will be more posted. I have had my rights violated by the county attorney, Mike Hogan, and the sheriff of Lawrence County, Garrett Roberts. I dare not say much on this forum because Mike is already VERY pissed off because of previous post they found on here. I deleted some of my post to keep this from turning into a larger **** storm. I am going to get it touch with an attorney.

    KY may post a recording of our "talk"- We may call it "Hogan's Yelling Match" as it would be appropriated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    There will be more posted. I have had my rights violated by the county attorney, Mike Hogan, and the sheriff of Lawrence County, Garrett Roberts. I dare not say much on this forum because Mike is already VERY pissed off because of previous post they found on here. I deleted some of my post to keep this from turning into a larger **** storm. I am going to get it touch with an attorney.

    KY may post a recording of our "talk"- We may call it "Hogan's Yelling Match" as it would be appropriated.
    Can you explain to me what the sheriff meant when we mentioned HB 161 I think it was. I would like to know what he was talking about. You can PM me if you like. I have a meeting with the owingsville amyor in 12 minutes so I gotta go for now..But I would like to learn more about your incident....And more so I would like to know what in the hell HB 161 was???
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    Try SB 161, Glockster mentioned something about it was an SB bill. He said it had something to do with open carry. I would call it irrelevant to anything at this point. We already have 65.870, 237.110, 237.115, AGO opinion 96-40, HB 500 to take effect soon, and other things.

    I was ejected out of a OPEN meeting for violating an illegal ordinance that they have been TOLD is illegal. I was going to try to fix this with them.
    I was LIED to by public officials.
    I was threatened arrest for OCing in the sheriff dept.
    I was threatened arrest for OCing in the courthouse (not part of the court rooms or even the court annex)
    I was TOLD not to come back to the courthouse with my firearm.
    I was talked to like a child.
    I was even ACCUSED of libel.

    I feel like my rights were trampled on by public officials with NO authority to govern me in that way. If I was in violations of anything legal I would have been arrested and tried. Hogan was that visibly irate. I feel that this shows corruption in Lawrence county.

    Also, I wish you all of luck with your endeavors. I hope they go better than ours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by self preservation View Post
    What did the bill say? the Sheriff seemed to think it was important because he brought it up. How does this failing affect KRS 65.870 and HB 500?
    OK SB 161 didn't pass also, but here is the summary of that bill

    Amend KRS 65.870 which limits cities and counties from having local firearms ordinances to expand the units of government and public agencies covered, expand limitations on local action, and provide that parties may sue to enjoin violations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    Try SB 161, Glockster mentioned something about it was an SB bill. He said it had something to do with open carry. I would call it irrelevant to anything at this point. We already have 65.870, 237.110, 237.115, AGO opinion 96-40, HB 500 to take effect soon, and other things.

    I was ejected out of a OPEN meeting for violating an illegal ordinance that they have been TOLD is illegal. I was going to try to fix this with them.
    I was LIED to by public officials.
    I was threatened arrest for OCing in the sheriff dept.
    I was threatened arrest for OCing in the courthouse (not part of the court rooms or even the court annex)
    I was TOLD not to come back to the courthouse with my firearm.
    I was talked to like a child.
    I was even ACCUSED of libel.

    I feel like my rights were trampled on by public officials with NO authority to govern me in that way. If I was in violations of anything legal I would have been arrested and tried. Hogan was that visibly irate. I feel that this shows corruption in Lawrenc

    Also, I wish you all of luck with your endeavors. I hope they go better than ours.
    I wanted to give an update on the city of Owingsville. I just left a meeting with the mayor over KRS 65.780, HB 500, Letter from the KLC as well as their own ordiances. He seemed interested to learn and was eager to ask question. Very polite in the meeting and didnt take a hard stance. He got hung up a few times because his paperwork addressed concealed weapons in city buildings but quickly realized that open carry and concealed carry are two different things and are handled differently. He stated that he wasnt anti-gun but just "wanted to do what was right". He thanked me time after time for bringing this to his attention and stated that he would have the city attorney look into it even though he stated "its in plain english and very clear" He even stopped me on my way out the door and got my Email address so he could send me the attorney response. Hope the attorney can read and understand as well as the mayor seemed to. As far as 09jisaac, sorry you got treated that way. But I do respect that you are continuing the good fight and hope you dont back down. I hope you find legal relief and all the support that you will need. Sorry that you're the one taking the beating right now but I'm so glad to see our rights are being stood up for.
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    I have started a new thread on this issue, if anyone wishes to post about it there. Wait until I post the audio, everyone's jaw will drop!
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    Quote Originally Posted by self preservation View Post
    As far as 09jisaac, sorry you got treated that way. But I do respect that you are continuing the good fight and hope you dont back down. I hope you find legal relief and all the support that you will need. Sorry that you're the one taking the beating right now but I'm so glad to see our rights are being stood up for.
    It wasn't just me, KYGlockster was there too. And he doesn't have much much of a dog in this fight. He was doing it as a favor to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    It wasn't just me, KYGlockster was there too. And he doesn't have much much of a dog in this fight. He was doing it as a favor to me.
    I just found out that he was there too. I support you both. Wish there were more I could do to help you both with this battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by self preservation View Post
    I just found out that he was there too. I support you both. Wish there were more I could do to help you both with this battle.
    Are you an attorney by any chance? Just kidding. Do not worry too much about our battle. You, too, are assisting in restoring rights. It is just two battles of the same war. I do not like how we can be tried with ANY law but government officials are not even held to their own laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    Are you an attorney by any chance? Just kidding. Do not worry too much about our battle. You, too, are assisting in restoring rights. It is just two battles of the same war. I do not like how we can be tried with ANY law but government officials are not even held to their own laws.
    I wish I were...well..sorta.. You and KyGlockster kind of gave me survivers guilt..haha.. I was so excited to post that I changed the mayors mind and made a difference, and you two were nearly sent to the elctric chair..
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    Don't count on it until it happens. We thought we had the judge executive on our side (not saying we don't still) but the sheriff and CA are sticking to enforcing this illegal ordinance.
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    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...awrence+County

    I already posted it but this is a reminder. It was an ordinance that started out good "General assembly gives us the authority ban concealed carry in our buildings" then it goes on to prohibit all "deadly weapons" on their "premises". I took this to mean all firearms whether "concealed or otherwise" (actual text I think) in their buildings and on their grounds. It was passed in '96 and the section who voted for it was left blank. I will go back and get another copy of it. It says who was on the fiscal court at the time. I know that Osborn wasn't in office.

    It is 96-006, I found it in the Circuit Clerks file room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    Don't count on it until it happens. We thought we had the judge executive on our side (not saying we don't still) but the sheriff and CA are sticking to enforcing this illegal ordinance.
    True. The city attorney may fill the mayors head with all kinds of "this dont apply to us because....." I'm still waiting on the email from the city attorney to see just what his take on this is. But I think KRS page of "do's and dont's" really got his attention. Guess time will tell.
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