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    List of cities & counties NOT violating state law.

    These CITIES do not have illegal ordinances:
    1)In Greenup County:
    Flatwoods
    Russell
    Raceland-Worthington
    Greenup

    2)In Rowan County:
    Farmers

    3)In Boyd County:
    Ashland
    Cattletsburg

    4)In Carter County:

    5)In Lewis County:

    6)In Lawrence County:

    7)In Bath County:
    Owingsville
    Salt Lick
    Olympia

    These COUNTIES do not:
    1)Johnson
    2)Boyd
    3)Bath
    4)Greenup
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    Quote Originally Posted by gutshot View Post
    It is amazing how these little local bureaucrats think that the office is there for them and not the people.
    I am not arguing with you but don't you think that this equally applies to major politicians too?

    Glockster, you are doing a find job. I will go to paintsville whenever I get the chance. Does anyone know the legality of carrying in their courthouse. It shares a common parking lot as their jail, if I am not mistaken. Also, that may be a justice center. Does anyone know where I have to go to find their ordinances?
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    Bath county, including towns and communities within, are -not- in violation of KRS as far as Firearms and OC go.

    Open/Concealed carry allowable, and unchecked at the Court house, with the County judge executive, PVA, and Vehicle Registration/Taxing is located.

    The Court house annex, with the District/Curcuit Court, the Drivers Licensing, Notary, and County Attorney do -NOT- have any signs on the outside barring Open, or Concealed firearms, or any firearms in general. Inside the annex, there are only one sign barring all firearms, and that is on the door to the District/Circuit court room. Drivers Lic, and County Attorney rooms do NOT have any posted signage against carrying Firearms.

    The Courthouse, and annex are located in Owingsville, the County seat of Bath County.

    Olympia, Farmers, and Salt Lick have no posted signage barring firearms anywhere within that I could see. Not that there is -anything- in either of the three. Again, all located in Bath.

    According to the County clerk, the only ordinance for bath county relating to firearms, is for owingsville, regulating the discharge of firearms within city limits, to where you cant fire a gun in your back yard, or in celebration of new years or 4th of July.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeZ07 View Post
    Bath county, including towns and communities within, are -not- in violation of KRS as far as Firearms and OC go.

    Open/Concealed carry allowable, and unchecked at the Court house, with the County judge executive, PVA, and Vehicle Registration/Taxing is located.

    The Court house annex, with the District/Curcuit Court, the Drivers Licensing, Notary, and County Attorney do -NOT- have any signs on the outside barring Open, or Concealed firearms, or any firearms in general. Inside the annex, there are only one sign barring all firearms, and that is on the door to the District/Circuit court room. Drivers Lic, and County Attorney rooms do NOT have any posted signage against carrying Firearms.

    The Courthouse, and annex are located in Owingsville, the County seat of Bath County.

    Olympia, Farmers, and Salt Lick have no posted signage barring firearms anywhere within that I could see. Not that there is -anything- in either of the three. Again, all located in Bath.

    According to the County clerk, the only ordinance for bath county relating to firearms, is for owingsville, regulating the discharge of firearms within city limits, to where you cant fire a gun in your back yard, or in celebration of new years or 4th of July.
    Since when was Farmers located in Bath County?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    I am not arguing with you but don't you think that this equally applies to major politicians too?

    Glockster, you are doing a find job. I will go to paintsville whenever I get the chance. Does anyone know the legality of carrying in their courthouse. It shares a common parking lot as their jail, if I am not mistaken. Also, that may be a justice center. Does anyone know where I have to go to find their ordinances?
    It's the old "courthouse" now. It's in the middle on Paintsville. If you're familiar with the town, just come in across James Trimble Bridge (passes in front of Paul B. Hall Hospital). Then turn right at the end of it (it ends facing a one way street). Then turn left onto Main Street (heading back down into town). There's a moderate size parking lot on the left, you can park there and then just walk over to the building.

    As for a jail, the sheiff's department used to have one located right in that area, within less than 50'. I don't know if they still utilize it though or not. They may not use it anymore being that they have the Detention Center that's out near the New Justice Center on 460. The Justice Center of course is nowhere near the old courthouse where you'd be going.

    I'm not really sure who you'd have to talk to there to get the information that you're looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    I am not arguing with you but don't you think that this equally applies to major politicians too?

    Glockster, you are doing a find job. I will go to paintsville whenever I get the chance. Does anyone know the legality of carrying in their courthouse. It shares a common parking lot as their jail, if I am not mistaken. Also, that may be a justice center. Does anyone know where I have to go to find their ordinances?
    I had PM'ed you the contact info you'll need but for some reason, it didn't seem to send so here it is:

    Johnson County Clerk
    Sallee Conley Holbrook
    230 Court Street
    Suite 124
    Paintsville, KY 41240-1607
    Phone: (606) 789-2557
    FAX: (606) 789-2559
    Email:sallee.conley-holbrook@ky.gov

    Here's something fun to inquire about. Ask them about the previous Apple Days rule that there were to be NO WEAPONS during Apple Days. *LOL*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cgm2414 View Post
    Since when was Farmers located in Bath County?
    I was lacking sleep yesterday morning when I posted it, xD cut me some slack. But yea, Well, atleast Farmer's doesn't have any no firearms signs, unlike morehead, last I checked that is, have they taken the "no firearms" sign down from the lil park by the big MSU orange brick thingy building?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeZ07 View Post
    I was lacking sleep yesterday morning when I posted it, xD cut me some slack. But yea, Well, atleast Farmer's doesn't have any no firearms signs, unlike morehead, last I checked that is, have they taken the "no firearms" sign down from the lil park by the big MSU orange brick thingy building?
    Farmers isn't big enough to care about firearms, Morehead however according to a few people I have talked to though Banned Open Carry around 10 or 12 years ago. Morehead is an absolute police state our police force out numbers larger cities like ashland and lexington 3:1, with MSU police with county wide jurisdiction, MPD 3 mile leniency (sp?), KSP post 8, and the SO units. My uncle is on City council so I will look into this.
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    Johnson County

    Thanks neuroblades. I left early yesterday for johnson county because the county clerks closed 12 on saturdays. I could find nothing in their books to suggest any firearms regulations (I couldn't find much in their books). So I think it will be safe to add Johnson County to the list. I did not have access to city hall as it was closed on sundays. So I will see what I can find later to do with Paintsville.

    Drake- Thanks for your contribution to this effort. For a long time it seemed it was only a few of us (as a group, not me personally) actively fighting for our rights. With this new legislation it is easier for us to do something for our rights. So now I am taking an active part and am glad to see others doing the same. (I am not implying anyone didn't do anything before)

    I also propose that every entry we want to add to the list be in a form similar to this one to make it easier for Glockster to add to the list. I suggest we put the city/county at the top and any relevant info afterwords. It will keep him from having to search through a long post.
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    in monroe county its no trouble to open carry, they have a sign on the county court house doors that says concealed carry of weapons on courthouse property prohibited. but i have called both the sheriff and the tompkinsville police on open carry and they have spoke positive about it. my wife's family lives in glasgow which is in barren county, i don't know about the county sheriff, but my sister inlaw called glasgow police and they were not very friendly to open carry. however going around to the glasgow city parks and they have about 4 of them i saw no signs about weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cgm2414 View Post
    Farmers isn't big enough to care about firearms, Morehead however according to a few people I have talked to though Banned Open Carry around 10 or 12 years ago. Morehead is an absolute police state our police force out numbers larger cities like ashland and lexington 3:1, with MSU police with county wide jurisdiction, MPD 3 mile leniency (sp?), KSP post 8, and the SO units. My uncle is on City council so I will look into this.
    Have him bring the issue up at a council meeting to have all their illegal bans/ordinances removed. I would print out the amended krs 65.870, and give it to him. Inform him if these are not changed by June, they will be removed in the courts. Tell him to inform the mayor and city attorney whoever takes them to court will be reimbursed attorney and
    expert witness fees, and that they will be stripped of their immunity and charged with official misconduct in the 1st or 2nd degree. Both charges bring jail and/or fines and the loss of their ability to hold public office. Inform him of the links to the KLC website that pertain to what cities can and can't do. That or print this information out as well and give to him, you can find the links under the thread, "New ammunition to fight cities and counties."
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    I noticed Johnson counties fiscal court meets in their district court room. Is this legal? Do they have a justice center and this is the old court room or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomer92266 View Post
    in monroe county its no trouble to open carry, they have a sign on the county court house doors that says concealed carry of weapons on courthouse property prohibited. but i have called both the sheriff and the tompkinsville police on open carry and they have spoke positive about it. my wife's family lives in glasgow which is in barren county, i don't know about the county sheriff, but my sister inlaw called glasgow police and they were not very friendly to open carry. however going around to the glasgow city parks and they have about 4 of them i saw no signs about weapons.
    Are you for sure the sign says "courthouse property" because if it includes grounds then it is in violation of KRS. Have you looked at the ordinance, if it lists one, cited as their authority to post that sign?

    Also (not directed at boomer directly) we do want specifics. I thought Lawrence county would be fine because I have not be hassled at the courthouse or any other county place for carrying or been hassled under any specific law, but when I went to look at the ordinances I found an illegal one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KYGlockster View Post
    Have him bring the issue up at a council meeting to have all their illegal bans/ordinances removed. I would print out the amended krs 65.870, and give it to him. Inform him if these are not changed by June, they will be removed in the courts. Tell him to inform the mayor and city attorney whoever takes them to court will be reimbursed attorney and
    expert witness fees, and that they will be stripped of their immunity and charged with official misconduct in the 1st or 2nd degree. Both charges bring jail and/or fines and the loss of their ability to hold public office. Inform him of the links to the KLC website that pertain to what cities can and can't do. That or print this information out as well and give to him, you can find the links under the thread, "New ammunition to fight cities and counties."
    I am certainly going to do what I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    Are you for sure the sign says "courthouse property" because if it includes grounds then it is in violation of KRS. Have you looked at the ordinance, if it lists one, cited as their authority to post that sign?

    Also (not directed at boomer directly) we do want specifics. I thought Lawrence county would be fine because I have not be hassled at the courthouse or any other county place for carrying or been hassled under any specific law, but when I went to look at the ordinances I found an illegal one.
    its says courthouse property, i'm going in the morning and i'll get a pic of the sign on the door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomer92266 View Post
    its says courthouse property, i'm going in the morning and i'll get a pic of the sign on the door.
    If you are sure then you are sure. I just ask because we are all just human and can make mistakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KYGlockster View Post
    These CITIES do not have illegal ordinances:
    1)In Greenup County:
    Flatwoods
    Russell
    Raceland-Worthington

    2)In Rowan County:
    Farmers

    3)In Boyd County:
    Ashland
    Cattletsburg

    4)In Carter County:

    5)In Lewis County:

    6)In Lawrence County:

    7)In Bath County:
    Owingsville
    Salt Lick
    Olympia


    These COUNTIES do not:
    1)Johnson
    2)Boyd
    3)Bath
    Fixed it, because, ya know, I mentioned "bath county" or "bath" or "bath co" five times in my post about it, naming the cities, that is, though I did mess up on Farmers being in Bath. :P Sorry to be a smart ass, just pointing out that we're not apart of the Sovereign Policed County of Rowan :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by 09jisaac View Post
    Johnson County
    *SNIP*
    Drake- Thanks for your contribution to this effort. For a long time it seemed it was only a few of us (as a group, not me personally) actively fighting for our rights. With this new legislation it is easier for us to do something for our rights. So now I am taking an active part and am glad to see others doing the same. (I am not implying anyone didn't do anything before)
    *SNIP*
    What Contribution did I play in our struggle of Standardization of our God(s) given right to OC/RKBA? All I did was talk to the County Clerk, and made a visual inspection of the Courthouse, And Annex, inside and out. Please, give credit to Gutshot, Glock, or whoever it was that had more guts than I to go to the Capitol with a pistol on their hip, or has more balls than I to go to a City/County meeting while OC'ing.

    Not that it's related to anything, but regarding the efforts of the others' and their hard work, I did mean what I said about reserving a special batch of home brew for y'all. Another month and my Apricot mead will be ready for bottling, and another two months for the Cherry IPA to be kegged. (Hey, atleast it's one of the things we can do without being harrased over, right? Not everyone likes guns, but everyone likes beer!)
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    I'll check Pulaski County and possibly Lincoln county today or tomorrow as I have business in both unless someone else wants to cover one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeZ07 View Post
    Please, give credit to Gutshot, Glock, or whoever it was that had more guts than I to go to the Capitol with a pistol on their hip, or has more balls than I to go to a City/County meeting while OC'ing.
    A determined few gets a lot done, I would love to see what a determined many can do. Gutshot does this on a regular basis and deserves many thanks from all of us. Glockster is also doing a fine job fighting for our rights too. I do believe everyone who is helping to restore all of our rights needs a thanks. So I thanked you and if I haven't thanked anyone else I will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sundiver View Post
    I'll check Pulaski County and possibly Lincoln county today or tomorrow as I have business in both unless someone else wants to cover one?
    Thanks sundiver.
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    Pulaski County:
    Pulaski County Courthouse, or what used to be, before the new justice center went in across the street appears to be in compliance as does the Central Library downtown, I saw /no/ signage on either one regarding any sort of weapons exclusion.

    I'll check the PC parks and city parks this week, as well as the city hall which also houses the city pd. Didn't get a chance to check Lincoln county today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sundiver View Post
    Pulaski County:
    Pulaski County Courthouse, or what used to be, before the new justice center went in across the street appears to be in compliance as does the Central Library downtown, I saw /no/ signage on either one regarding any sort of weapons exclusion.

    I'll check the PC parks and city parks this week, as well as the city hall which also houses the city pd. Didn't get a chance to check Lincoln county today.
    Remember everyone, we need to check ordinances at all these cities/counties as well. A lot of the times, they will not post signs, but will have ordinances on the books to charge you with. Greenup county and the city of Ashland have ordinances banning CCarry in their buildings, but no signs. We need to make sure no illegal ordinances get past us, and one-day far from now, hopefully we can erase illegal gun laws from the books in the entire state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrakeZ07 View Post
    Bath county, including towns and communities within, are -not- in violation of KRS as far as Firearms and OC go.

    Open/Concealed carry allowable, and unchecked at the Court house, with the County judge executive, PVA, and Vehicle Registration/Taxing is located.

    The Court house annex, with the District/Curcuit Court, the Drivers Licensing, Notary, and County Attorney do -NOT- have any signs on the outside barring Open, or Concealed firearms, or any firearms in general. Inside the annex, there are only one sign barring all firearms, and that is on the door to the District/Circuit court room. Drivers Lic, and County Attorney rooms do NOT have any posted signage against carrying Firearms.

    The Courthouse, and annex are located in Owingsville, the County seat of Bath County.
    Olympia, Farmers, and Salt Lick have no posted signage barring firearms anywhere within that I could see. Not that there is -anything- in either of the three. Again, all located in Bath.

    According to the County clerk, the only ordinance for bath county relating to firearms, is for owingsville, regulating the discharge of firearms within city limits, to where you cant fire a gun in your back yard, or in celebration of new years or 4th of July.
    Have you went to everyone of these cities/counties and checked their ordinances? No signs is a good thing, but we need to know the ordinances. You would have to go to each city hall to get them, the county courthouse will only have county ordinances. Have you been to Rowan county courthouse an checked rowans ordinances? You can skip morehead, we know they are violating, and we will take them to court if they refuse to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KYGlockster View Post
    Have you went to everyone of these cities/counties and checked their ordinances? No signs is a good thing, but we need to know the ordinances. You would have to go to each city hall to get them, the county courthouse will only have county ordinances. Have you been to Rowan county courthouse an checked rowans ordinances? You can skip morehead, we know they are violating, and we will take them to court if they refuse to change.
    Olympia, and Salt Lick are communities within Bath co., No court houses, rely on the Sheriff and Constable for LE, and a Vollie station in Salt Lick for EMS, O-Ville for Fire. All rely on Owingsville for ordinances. I don't have any business in Rowan county much, except once in a while, so it's kind of a waste of gas money to go there and search around, as I'm ~ 30miles from Morehead itself. I can browse around Mt. Sterling, and Montgomery County when I get my EBT refilled, that's not a problem, and maybe head up to Clark County and ask their county Clerk.

    I have family in Menifee, visit them regularly, and haven't noticed any "no firearms" signs in the county, but I haven't asked the county clerk about their local ordinances. I'll do that sometime this week.

    I know what your saying, about checking on -city- ordinances, but most of the counties in my immediate area, only have a county court house in the county seat, and go by the county seat's direction.

    That is, unless I was confused of your message, xD, running agent missions in nullsec space in EVE while typing is kinda distracting.
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    You are right, counties have courthouses, and cities have a city hall. If the city is unincorporated that isn't necessarily true, and often the area is named a city for mailing reasons.
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