Thread: Weird Incident
So I'm driving home this morning from a club in Milwaukee and when I'm 5 miles from home at 2:30am I get pulled over by a Waterford LEO for speeding. I informed the LEO I was armed and my wallet was in my pocket by my gun. He asks for my gun and DL and CCW and unloads my weapon giving me back my bullet and magazine while taking possession of the weapon. It takes him 15 min to do his stuff and write out a ticket and returns. He then tells me I'm not supposed to have the gun loaded. I'm like WTF? Where did you hear that from. So I'm supposed to carry a concealed unloaded weapon. He said the law was still new to him when I told him I never heard of that from any LEO who has ever stopped me. Wonder what would make him think that.
...and that he must request CCL and ID. Do not volunteer.
He had the firearm so he probably ran the numbers... Adding another "crime gun" to the list.
"Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties."
"Some time ago, a bunch of lefties defied the law by dancing at the Jefferson Memorial, resulting in their arrests. Last week, a bunch of them pulled the same stunt and - using patented Lefist techniques - provoked the Park Police into having to use force to arrest them."
I would file a civil rights violation complaint with the officers department. He had no legal need or right to do what he did. Remember, to disarm you they need resonable suspician of a CRIME...a traffic infraction does not qualify.
The police are under no obligation to tell you the truth.
What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?
Interesting that he told you you cannot have a loaded handgun....I had someone ask me that question yesterday "Can I carry my pistol with a round in the chamber? I was told by a police officer I could not carry it with a round chambered?" My response to his question was "What good is a gun if it isn't loaded?" And...I said "How do you carry a revolver? Do you leave three chambers or so empty in the cylinder?" It seems there are more than one or two police officers out there spreading this incorrect information.
“The Constitution shall never be construed... to prevent the People of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” -- Samuel Adams
“Today, we need a nation of Minutemen. Citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom.”
—John F. Kennedy
Never offer LEO's more information than is asked of you, and only offer info that you are required by law to give. Know your rights!!
When you offer up info like that, it seems to me you feel guilty about something and are trying to cover your ass by 'coming clean'.
Keep yer yap shut, give him your license, accept your speeding ticket, and go home.
Move your wallet away from your gun , or have the wallet sitting on the dash before he exits his car
you know they are going to want your drivers license as soon as the lights go on.
and get a photo copy of your proof of insurance and registration and keep it someplace easy to get to that is no where near a gun.
Last edited by GreenCountyPete; 04-01-2012 at 11:23 AM.
I see people always advocating you move your wallet to the opposite pocket/side as your gun...why? Just have it out before they get to your window! Maybe it's a product of me being pulled over so much as a kid but I always have my license in my hand before they even get out of their car. If your being pulled over, I don't care how good a of a flirt/bullshitter you think you are, you are going to have to show your license!
Besides, Ive been carrying my wallet in my right pocket for 30 odd years and carrying a gun for 3 months. I'm certainly not moving my wallet now and I can't draw with my right hand if the guns on my left hip...
Last edited by markush; 04-01-2012 at 11:42 AM.
How would you like to walk up to the window of someone's vehicle not knowing their intentions or views towards law enforcement? Keeping in mind that LOTS of officers are killed during "routine" traffic stops. Then you happen to catch a glimpse of a conceal weapon on the person you stopped. First thing that comes to mind isn't "oh he must be a legal citizen with no intentions of harming me". Althought it may be the second or third thing that comes to mind after confirming you have a permit.
Basically what it comes down to is don't volunteer for anything the police ask if you haven't done anything wrong. or for that matter even if you did. It can lead you to be in more trouble.
That's why police treat all people as dangerous until proven otherwise.
Sort of like how medical personnel treat all people as infected.
But since my property is no threat to anyone, there's no need to tell the cop about anything I have in my car.
And if s/he happens to see the gun, well, by that point probably if I'd had nefarious intent the officer would have been harmed.
If she's startled by it, maybe she'll be more thorough in her visual search the next time.
Might save her life.
Originally Posted by MLK, JrOriginally Posted by MSG LaigaieOriginally Posted by Proverbs 27:12Originally Posted by Proverbs 31:17
1. I wouldn't be out hunting on the public highways, searching for citizens who, though they have harmed no person or property, can have revenue extracted from them for violating arbitrary rules.How would you like to walk up to the window of someone's vehicle not knowing their intentions or views towards law enforcement?
2. There is no draft for law enforcement in this country. If they find themselves too afraid to do their jobs while respecting the rights of citizens, they should find more suitable employment, preferably in the productive sector.
1. Law enforcement isn't even in the top-10 list of occupational mortality. The local pizza delivery boy is statistically far more likely to give his life in the line of duty, i.e. providing a valuable product/service that people desire to voluntarily purchase, as opposed to demanding payment at gunpoint.Keeping in mind that LOTS of officers are killed during "routine" traffic stops.
2. Most who are killed at traffic stops die as a result of being hit by other automobiles.
The first thing that would come to my mind is, "Hmm, here is a citizen exercising a natural right. I have no idea what his intentions are, but until and unless I have reason to believe there is criminal activity afoot, there is not a damn thing I can do about the gun." Many peace officers I have encountered have had the same opinion, apparently, because they said not one word about my firearm. As it should be.Then you happen to catch a glimpse of a conceal weapon on the person you stopped. First thing that comes to mind isn't "oh he must be a legal citizen with no intentions of harming me". Althought it may be the second or third thing that comes to mind after confirming you have a permit.
^Totally agree with this.Basically what it comes down to is don't volunteer for anything the police ask if you haven't done anything wrong. or for that matter even if you did. It can lead you to be in more trouble.
Total ignorance: an Obama supporter's stock in trade
I guess I'll stop offering up that I'm carrying and handing over my DL and CCW at the same time if I do get stopped for any reason. I've always only done it out of respect of the LEO. Like people have said to much info is no good. I was in a rush getting home. I needed my insulin and told the officer that and he asked if I needed an ambulance but since I was only 2 blocks from home I declined since my insulin was right there. In the end I ended up with a 22 mph over ticket for doing 77 in a 55 off hwy 83. Guess I learned my lesson and will hire an attorney to try and get this dropped or reduced so it doesn't affect my DL record.
Last edited by bspiller; 04-01-2012 at 05:09 PM.
Printing, flashing and brandishing are not in themselves prohibited in Wisconsin. Don't give the eager gun-controllers any new ideas for laws that they love to write.
Wisconsin Carry Member
Last edited by sawah; 04-01-2012 at 02:44 PM.
A firearm is a tool of convenience, not effectiveness - Clint Smith, Thunder Ranch
Keep your DL, registration and insurance certificate in an envelope on the driver's sunshade. When ordered to pull over, acknowledge the order and proceed to where YOU feel safe exiting your car. Secure, exit and lock your car with papers in hand and keys pocketed. Meet the officer at the curbside front of your vehicle. Do not give him reason or opportunity for an extra-legal sniff and peek inside your car.
If you are a Concealed Carry Licensee, leave your gun visible on the seat in the locked car for his safety. Not carrying and not carrying concealed moots §176.60(2g)(c).
Surrender your papers on his demand. Do not speak, what you say will be used against you. Decline every request but do not resist. If he thinks he has RAS/PC they will be orders.
Review §345.22 and §345.23.
IMO I would not offer my CCL unless asked. Also most LEO's will not have you exit the vehicle unless they intend further action (such as search, sobriety test etc). I would sit tight and see what the officer had in mind.
What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?
If you convince enough braindead people to do as you just suggested someone will eventually get taken to the ground for exiting the vehicle when the cop sees a holster on his side...empty or not...I'd be more worried if it was empty and I didn't know where the gun was. Or get them shot when they have a ND when un-holstering!! Jesus man did you think about that post...at all??
All those question marks are only there to show my disbelief in what you are saying and are not really asking you to explain so please feel free not to...please. My forehead cannot handle another facepalm today!
Last edited by markush; 04-01-2012 at 04:07 PM.