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    Hey guys. Just got word in tonight from someone I know who works for Family Dollar that their against OC/CC, even though there are no signs. They gave me a paper with the policies for "weapons" of any type (not just guns), so here it is, in Family Dollars own words, and I'll bold the parts that apply to OCers and CCers.

    Weapons on Company Property

    No weapons of any type, including, but not limited to, firearms, knives (unless the item is a Family Dollar approved box cutter), or any other dangerous weapons or instruments designed to inflict injury or cause physical damage are allowed on Company premises, property or in Company vehicles.

    This applies whether the weapon is on the individual's person, carried in a container or openly, or in a vehicle brought onto Company premises (where allowed by law). Furthermore, Company Team Members are prohibited from having, possessing, or otherwise controlling weapons at any time and at any place while on Company business.

    This policy applies to all Company team members, visitors and contractors on Company property. Company property includes, but is not limited to, permanent, temporary or leased structures, parking lots, Company-owned or leased vehicles, and or receiving and shipping docks.

    As further clarification of this rule, the prohibition against weapons applies to both visible and concealed weapons, including those weapons for which a valid permit has been obtained. Any violation of this rule is a serious offense and disciplinary action may include immediate termination of employment.

    Family Dollar will comply with all Federal, State & Local laws, where applicable.

    So guys, looks like Family Dollar doesn't want business from people that OC/CC. This person also told me that the assistant and store managers had almost gotten fired for not asking me to leave when I was carrying, because apparently someone from the corporate office saw I was carrying, but was not asked to leave. There are no signs posted at any Family Dollar location I've ever been to, and I've never been asked to leave. This person just grabbed this for me and stopped by the house on their way home to give it to me. I'm going to email the corporate office about this and tell them that since they banned guns in their stores, and they don't want any OC/CCers in their stores, they will get no more of my money, but what's the best way to go about doing it? I don't want to make all OC/CCers look like jerks, or make us all look crazy either. If you guys want to get in on the email action, I'll post something here about how to contact them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s&w_M&P_owner View Post
    Hey guys. Just got word in tonight from someone I know who works for Family Dollar that their against OC/CC, even though there are no signs. They gave me a paper with the policies for "weapons" of any type (not just guns), so here it is, in Family Dollars own words, and I'll bold the parts that apply to OCers and CCers.

    Weapons on Company Property

    No weapons of any type, including, but not limited to, firearms, knives (unless the item is a Family Dollar approved box cutter), or any other dangerous weapons or instruments designed to inflict injury or cause physical damage are allowed on Company premises, property or in Company vehicles.

    This applies whether the weapon is on the individual's person, carried in a container or openly, or in a vehicle brought onto Company premises (where allowed by law). Furthermore, Company Team Members are prohibited from having, possessing, or otherwise controlling weapons at any time and at any place while on Company business.

    This policy applies to all Company team members, visitors and contractors on Company property. Company property includes, but is not limited to, permanent, temporary or leased structures, parking lots, Company-owned or leased vehicles, and or receiving and shipping docks.

    As further clarification of this rule, the prohibition against weapons applies to both visible and concealed weapons, including those weapons for which a valid permit has been obtained. Any violation of this rule is a serious offense and disciplinary action may include immediate termination of employment.

    Family Dollar will comply with all Federal, State & Local laws, where applicable.

    So guys, looks like Family Dollar doesn't want business from people that OC/CC. There are no signs posted at any Family Dollar location I've ever been to, and I've never been asked to leave. This person just grabbed this for me and stopped by the house on their way home to give it to me. I'm going to email the corporate office about this and tell them that since they banned guns in their stores, and they don't want any OC/CCers in their stores, they will get no more of my money, but what's the best way to go about doing it? I don't want to make all OC/CCers look like jerks, or make us all look crazy either. If you guys want to get in on the email action, I'll post something here about how to contact them.
    It may just be me, but IMO, this policy applies to employees and people making deliveries. I don't think that the reference to "visitors" is meaning customers. Just my thoughts on the matter.

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    RedEagle,

    I also forgot to mention in the first post that this person also told me that both of the managers almost got fired for NOT asking me to leave, because someone from corporate had looked at the security tapes and saw that I was carrying in the store, and I wasn't asked to leave. I've now added that to the original post.
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    I'd be interested in what corporate has to say. I've had managers confuse the employee vs customer idea. They think their employee contract applies to me. No, it does not. I'm reading this more toward employees and business related folks; not customers. I could be wrong though. And not that I shop at Family Dollar much. Most of them I would not be caught unarmed in anyway, lol.

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    chiefjason,

    According to the employee who told me this, that policy also includes customers, not just employees. From what this person told me (I can't name her just in case someone from FD would see this), the assistant manager and store manager almost got into some major trouble, including possible termination, for me carrying my M&P 9 in their store, and them not asking me to leave.

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    I have a good friend that has worked management at Family Dollar for several years and i"m going to ask her about this. As soon as I know I'll post her response.

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    I'm also going to contact FD's corporate office tomorrow about this. The paper that the employee gave me was directly out of their rules/regulations, and that's when they told me that it applied to customers as well.

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    That is a corporate policy for employees and vendors. Totally different scenario as legal ramifications could ensue if an incident were to occur. CYA policy.

    The statement I would fall back on is this:

    Family Dollar will comply with all Federal, State & Local laws, where applicable.

    Legally they have the right to tell employees they can not be in possession of a firearm while on company property or in company vehicles to include employee cars in the parking lot. Legally they can post gun buster signs at their door or ask me to take my business elsewhere if they want. Federal, state and local laws say I am allowed to carry in their store until a time I am informed I am not welcome.

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    If you work for a national retail chain you'll find similar verbage in their employee handbooks. Sadly, employees, even store level management and sometimes mid-level management believes those same rules apply to customers. In more times than not they do not. Contacting corporate will be the best course of action to get clear-cut answers.

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    re-reading the policy the OP posted, it was written specifically to meet OSHA's violence in the workplace rhetoric (http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/workplaceviolence/) put out by HR/EHS for employees only. it is even badly written by a corp weenie who sits in a corner office far away from the real world and w/o consultation w/the corp attorney!!

    someone needs to check out Family Dollar besides the EH&S or HR personnel who will firmly and steadfastly state this policy is for customers.

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    I don't work for Family Dollar. I'm interested in how they can terminate my employment. Maybe I'll take a copy of this down there and OC so I can find out.
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    Definitely a good topic here. I think I have an issue that falls in line with some of the stuff mentioned. I just started working at Best Buy, and of course the corporate policy is no firearms "I won't confirm or deny whether my firearm is in the parking lot or not". But I wonder if that still applies to me off the clock as well. I'm still an employee, and the paperwork I signed didn't specifically state that it applied while being on the clock, it was just a pretty broad statement of no firearms. My guess is that as long as I'm not in uniform, it wouldn't matter. And I'd hope that would be there look on it as well. But it just makes me think about it a little. Maybe I'll have to give it a try tonight and see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySoldier22 View Post
    Definitely a good topic here. I think I have an issue that falls in line with some of the stuff mentioned. I just started working at Best Buy, and of course the corporate policy is no firearms "I won't confirm or deny whether my firearm is in the parking lot or not". But I wonder if that still applies to me off the clock as well. I'm still an employee, and the paperwork I signed didn't specifically state that it applied while being on the clock, it was just a pretty broad statement of no firearms. My guess is that as long as I'm not in uniform, it wouldn't matter. And I'd hope that would be there look on it as well. But it just makes me think about it a little. Maybe I'll have to give it a try tonight and see what happens.
    Good luck. I was told to leave the Greensboro Best Buy a couple years ago. Only been back once since (cc'd) - and that was only because I was tagging along with a family member. Their manager told me that only LEOs are allowed to carry there, and that they don't care if my gun is carried openly or concealed - either way it is against policy. I noticed (but said nothing about) the lack of signage indicating this policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruger View Post
    Good luck. I was told to leave the Greensboro Best Buy a couple years ago. Only been back once since (cc'd) - and that was only because I was tagging along with a family member. Their manager told me that only LEOs are allowed to carry there, and that they don't care if my gun is carried openly or concealed - either way it is against policy. I noticed (but said nothing about) the lack of signage indicating this policy.

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    Must've just been that store. I've OC'ed into a few different best buys over the past year without any troubles. I'd just hate to have that change now.

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    I carry in Best Buy all the time. Front door security said he thought I was a leo the last time I was there. Had he asked me to leave I would had asked to get a refund for the $2000 I had just spent. Funny how companies that are having to close stores (Best Buy closed 50) would ask any customer to leave.

    That policy is a employee one. Even Wally world has VERY strict "no weapons" policies for employees. They go as far as saying they can search your vehicle.

    Carry till told you can't, Get the name of who told you to leave and call corporate and complain, I have done this two times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muccione View Post
    That policy is a employee one. Even Wally world has VERY strict "no weapons" policies for employees. They go as far as saying they can search your vehicle.

    Carry till told you can't, Get the name of who told you to leave and call corporate and complain, I have done this two times.
    I am an employee though lol, so that's why I'm not too sure on it right now. So I'm not sure what calling corporate to complain on my own supervisor would do lol. I'll be going in there tomorrow to pick up something, not working, so I'm going to carry anyway and see how it goes.

    Edit: I just realized that the rest of your post probably wasn't in reference to mine lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muccione View Post
    I carry in Best Buy all the time. Front door security said he thought I was a leo the last time I was there. Had he asked me to leave I would had asked to get a refund for the $2000 I had just spent. Funny how companies that are having to close stores (Best Buy closed 50) would ask any customer to leave.

    That policy is a employee one. Even Wally world has VERY strict "no weapons" policies for employees. They go as far as saying they can search your vehicle.

    Carry till told you can't, Get the name of who told you to leave and call corporate and complain, I have done this two times.
    I'll assume that we have carried to the same store. I've been in several times with no issues. Spent 30 minutes working with an employee buying a camera and accessories while OC'ing. Nothing was said.

    We can't go assuming that every business is anti gun simply because one employee is ignorant of the policy or simply trying to bluff you because they are anti. Until I see something from corporate or a sign on the door, I take all these with a grain of salt.

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    So on a similar note, I work in maintenance at an apartment complex and the first thing I did my first day was check the company handbook. It says firearms are prohibited as per state and federal law. That being said, since neither state nor federal law prohibits firearms at apartment complexes, does that mean it's alright? Now keep in mind that I cannot confirm nor deny that I may or may not have carried for late night emergency calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J_Oliver View Post
    . That being said, ... does that mean it's alright?
    Is compliance with the employee handbook a condition of employment, explicit in your contract or implicit in your accepting remuneration under your employer's conditions as specified in the employee handbook?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Heckler Koch View Post
    Is compliance with the employee handbook a condition of employment, explicit in your contract or implicit in your accepting remuneration under your employer's conditions as specified in the employee handbook?
    I understand that I have to follow with what's set forth or otherwise implied. I'm just asking from a strictly word for word, literal standpoint. My son was born last Thursday so I've been out of work for a few days including today. I OC'd today to to work to show the baby off and didn't get looks or comments about my sidearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySoldier22 View Post
    I am an employee though lol, so that's why I'm not too sure on it right now. So I'm not sure what calling corporate to complain on my own supervisor would do lol. I'll be going in there tomorrow to pick up something, not working, so I'm going to carry anyway and see how it goes.

    Edit: I just realized that the rest of your post probably wasn't in reference to mine lol.
    If I understand your statement, you are an employee. Be prepared. All that they would have to do is state that you are "in the course of employment" and fire you. Depending on the state, "in the course of employment" could be broadly defined to include "picking up a check", "checking the following week's schedule", etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrTodd View Post
    If I understand your statement, you are an employee. Be prepared. All that they would have to do is state that you are "in the course of employment" and fire you. Depending on the state, "in the course of employment" could be broadly defined to include "picking up a check", "checking the following week's schedule", etc.
    By picking up something, I mean I'll be buying something. So nothing work related. I don't know though.. In NC, they don't even have to have a reason. They can fire you for whatever they want. Maybe I should talk to them about it. If they don't allow me to, I'm just going to start driving another 5 miles down the road to the one where they don't know me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefjason View Post
    I'll assume that we have carried to the same store. I've been in several times with no issues. Spent 30 minutes working with an employee buying a camera and accessories while OC'ing. Nothing was said.

    We can't go assuming that every business is anti gun simply because one employee is ignorant of the policy or simply trying to bluff you because they are anti. Until I see something from corporate or a sign on the door, I take all these with a grain of salt.
    It wasn't a negative thing. He was just shocked I wasn't a leo. It won't stop me from carrying in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySoldier22 View Post
    By picking up something, I mean I'll be buying something. So nothing work related. I don't know though.. In NC, they don't even have to have a reason. They can fire you for whatever they want. Maybe I should talk to them about it. If they don't allow me to, I'm just going to start driving another 5 miles down the road to the one where they don't know me.
    Personally I wouldn't carry there if you are a employee.
    Two reasons. 1 you ARE a employee on the clock as well as off the clock when on company property. The company rules still apply.
    2. co workers that know you carry, will know/assume you have a gun in your car while at work. You could get a breaking just for that.
    Wal-Mart forbids firearms in your car while on property.
    If you value your job than carrying MIGHT be a bad thing. Go to the other BB to buy your stuff and don't tell them your a employee until you check out.
    I don't ask "is it OK for me to " I just do till told not to or read it in the employee handbook.
    Good luck

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    while employed in a situation where i wrote, posted, and enforced the violence in the workplace policies had to espouse the corp line if someone came to my office asking about keeping their firearm(s) in their vehicles in organizational parking lot(s)...not allowed and a termination offense!!

    within a day after the initial encounter in my office i would later meet in the employee's workplace during a 'unannounced' safety walk through and privately chat, as a casual encounter, with the employee and mention they need to park in an adjacent parking lot or on the 'public' street and assure their 'property' was properly locked up, etc.

    only had to do that a couple of times and the word spread through the organization quickly and it was interesting to note those employees who parked off site for the sake of getting a 'bit of exercise' by walking to and from work which is what they told fellow employees when asked why they parked 'way over there'!!

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    ps: muccione is absolutely right on w/their advice...stay away from your place of employment when off duty...please heed the advice as it is an at will state...
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