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    pistol loaded with cop-killer bullets, cops say

    A lame-brained Manhattan thug tried to save the $2 PATH fare to New Jersey yesterday by jumping the turnstile — while carrying a concealed pistol loaded with “cop-killer” bullets[sic]...

    the weapon was loaded with notorious hollow-point bullets.

    The bullets are designed to expand upon impact and do greater damage to an intended target than full-metal-jacket bullets.

    “A hollow-point spreads out and tears up tissue and muscle, and it’s much more likely to stop you,” a police official said.

    “Most civilians don’t carry hollow-points because they are more expensive,” said Kenneth Cooper , a certified New York state firearms and use-of-force instructor[sic]

    Sanabria was charged with...possession of hollow-point bullets +++

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...tent=Manhattan
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    So, what are they called when cops use them? Citizen Killer Bullets?
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    Lol...do N.J. cops not wear vests???

    A solid-bullet is far more likely to kill a vest-wearing cop (assuming it is fired from a small-caliber pistol...rifles will penetrate almost any police vest).

    Of all the states, New Jersey's laws seem to be the most consistently asinine.

    Does anyone know if the hollow-point ban only applies to handgun ammunition? Is it legal to hunt with handguns in New Jersey?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SavageOne View Post
    So, what are they called when cops use them? Citizen Killer Bullets?
    Nicely done.
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    “Most civilians don’t carry hollow-points because they are more expensive,” said Kenneth Cooper, a certified New York state firearms and use-of-force instructor.

    “Most people use bottom-basement ammunition,” he added.



    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...#ixzz1qw0A4KBf
    What a moron. I don't know anybody that doesn't carry hollow points of some sort. FMJs are for target practice only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodbender View Post
    What a moron. I don't know anybody that doesn't carry hollow points of some sort. FMJs are for target practice only.
    Ditto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SavageOne View Post
    So, what are they called when cops use them? Citizen Killer Bullets?
    Hey! Watch it with those capitals, will ya!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Hey! Watch it with those capitals, will ya!
    I don't think he was really "aiming" for you on this. But, I've been wrong before and will be again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodbender View Post
    What a moron. I don't know anybody that doesn't carry hollow points of some sort. FMJs are for target practice only.
    In the comments a "Ken Cooper" from New York state says that the reporter misquoted what he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodbender View Post
    What a moron. I don't know anybody that doesn't carry hollow points of some sort. FMJs are for target practice only.
    Same, everyone I know that carries realizes that hollow points are worth the extra cost, as it can save lives, money(court expenses), and your rear end from becoming bubba's new favorite toy.


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    I am so glad that I live in a state that doesn't have this nonsense.

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    Hah
    Most people use bottom-basement ammunition,” he added.

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    I carry nothing but hollow points. Its for all the reasons listed here, plus I don't want it to kill only what I am shooting at, not the next three people hiding behind a table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldbanger View Post
    “Most civilians don’t carry hollow-points because they are more expensive,” said Kenneth Cooper, a certified New York state firearms and use-of-force instructor[sic]

    Sanabria was charged with...possession of hollow-point bullets.
    How far up does this "certified New York state firearms and use-of-force instructor" have his head. Maybe most civilians in NY and NJ don't carry JHPs... but it's more likely because those states have asinine ammunition laws (as cited), than because of the "cost". Pax...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunns View Post
    I carry nothing but hollow points.
    "I want them to stop only what I am shooting at, not the next three people hiding behind a table."

    Better ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil223 View Post
    How far up does this "certified New York state firearms and use-of-force instructor" have his head. Maybe most civilians in NY and NJ don't carry JHPs... but it's more likely because those states have asinine ammunition laws (as cited), than because of the "cost". Pax...
    The firearms instructor is a "Kenneth Cooper" a "Ken Cooper" said that the reporter misquoted what he said. So maybe he isn't what you think he is and the reporter just screwed up or deliberately changed the "facts" to fit his/her view on how the story should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodbender View Post
    What a moron. I don't know anybody that doesn't carry hollow points of some sort. FMJs are for target practice only.
    FMJ are standard issue to the US Military in their service handguns. Personally I feel this is ridiculous, but that's what they carry... 9mm FMJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medic1210 View Post
    FMJ are standard issue to the US Military in their service handguns. Personally I feel this is ridiculous, but that's what they carry... 9mm FMJ.
    You can thank the Hague Convention for that. Using hollow-points or other expanding ammunition for military purposes is a war crime.

    Not saying I agree, but it is what it is...

    ETA: I wonder if military police can carry HPs on U.S. bases, as they would be serving a domestic, law-enforcement function?
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    Idiot. FWIW I only carry hollow points because if God forbid I have to ever stop a threat I only want the bullet to stop that threat not penetrate any further. No holes in neighbors houses. Plus they are more effective at stopping threats.

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    I'd ask him, "So using bullets that are designed to expand within their target are bad"?

    And when he inevitably affirms this, simply follow up with...

    "So you recommend using fully jacketed bullets that remain intact and go through the target and kill innocent bystanders in addition to the target?".

    Cop killer bullets. As If regular round nose bullets are harmless.

    Another question someone needs to ask him: "What bullet stands a better chance of penetrating body armor, one that expands on impact like a hollow point, or one that retains its pointy shape better like a common FMJ?"

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    You can't win with the anti's I heard FMJ's get bashed too. If you can't successfully demonize the gun, demonize the ammo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodbender View Post
    what a moron. I don't know anybody that doesn't carry hollow points of some sort. Fmjs are for target practice only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManInBlack View Post
    <snip> ETA: I wonder if military police can carry HPs on U.S. bases, as they would be serving a domestic, law-enforcement function?
    I don't know about that, today, but when I was in service pistols were loaded with service ammo, FMJs.

    MPs are not domestic LE, they are military 'LE'. Technically they are not even LE. But, that was some years ago, it could very well be that they do get some sort of state certification these days.
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    cop killer bullets

    I may be wrong,but wasent hallowpoints originally developed for the police? seems like at one time the standard police load was a 38 special 158 grain lead round nose bullet that was shooting right through there target and not stoping the felon,so the hollowpoint was developed.

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