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    Off topic (sort of....ish)

    For those down south by PDX, Radley Balko will be speaking in Vancouver on the militarization of civilian police forces in a few days.

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    The Department of Education now has a SWAT team. So does NASA
    Seriously ??


    I wish he was coming further north.
    If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of constitutional privilege.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 223to45 View Post
    Seriously ??


    I wish he was coming further north.
    well, it is the IG department for the Dept of Ed, so I guess that makes it ok (sarcasm intended). I can actually see NASA having one actually....protecting the launch sites and all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneeyeross View Post
    well, it is the IG department for the Dept of Ed, so I guess that makes it ok (sarcasm intended). I can actually see NASA having one actually....protecting the launch sites and all...
    They shouldn't have their own, the DOE shouldn't and IRS shouldn't, it does away with any semblance of checks and balances.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    They shouldn't have their own, the DOE shouldn't and IRS shouldn't, it does away with any semblance of checks and balances.
    well, if they have someone else doing security for them....Wait, this is discussing SWAT teams, so yes, you're right...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneeyeross View Post
    well, if they have someone else doing security for them....Wait, this is discussing SWAT teams, so yes, you're right...
    I see your point on security but that is way different than having a form of "law enforcement". If they need to go after someone legally go through the proper legal channels, get a warrant from a judge and use the local duly elected sheriffs department.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    The other issue is whether the officers have been trained at FLETC. I know there is a HUGE issue with TSA not having been trained yet being considered "officers."

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneeyeross View Post
    The other issue is whether the officers have been trained at FLETC. I know there is a HUGE issue with TSA not having been trained yet being considered "officers."
    For those of you who are not aware of it (I would presume that to be all of you) FLETC does NOT meet the Wa State requirements for certification as a LEO. There are some federal agencies that are certified as a "Criminal Justice Agency", but most do not Qualify. (see Wa access system memo #490)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Dr View Post
    For those of you who are not aware of it (I would presure that to be all of you) FLETC does NOT meet the Wa State requirements for certification as a LEO. There are some federal agencies that are certified as a "Criminal Justice Agency", but most do not Qualify. (see Wa access system memo #490)
    Wow. I did not know that... Makes one wonder whether FLETC is that bad or WA requirements are that good...

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    FLETC is about FEDERAL LAW, not RCW's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger Dr View Post
    FLETC is about FEDERAL LAW, not RCW's
    Right, but they hire cops from out of state without making them go to the state academy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneeyeross View Post
    Right, but they hire cops from out of state without making them go to the state academy...
    Wrong, they are required to complete the Wa academy within a short time, 6 month IIRC

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