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    Fighting Back in WA.

    Maybe some BG's will take note, oh wait they're too stupid to watch the news.

    PIERCE, KITSAP COUNTIES Police said homeowners either shot at or scared off intruders with guns in Bonney Lake and Gig Harbor in the latest of three incidents.
    The would-be burglaries were nearly back-to-back Thursday morning.

    http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crim...urglars/nMKns/
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    Bah! You beat me to it!

    Surprised the Bonny Lake case isn't facing charges, considering he shot at a fleeing suspect. Not that he should, but...

    Here's some more from Q13:

    Go jump in a lake!
    http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-susp...,2070247.story

    Like the Q13 quote on the OP's story better, hehe:

    Two young men who were trying to break into Angela Tallman's house in Gig Harbor Thursday got a major surprise when Tallman appeared at a window, tapped her handgun against the glass to get their attention and gave them a look of, "Come on in, let's play."
    http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-more...,1090714.story

    Not sure what to make of this one:

    "I get it -- guns aren't for everybody but you should have something to protect yourself and you should be aware of what's going on, Clayton Sperry, of Blumenthal Law Enforcement Equipment, said Thursday.
    "All of that stuff is going to work well for you if you know how to use it. The flip side of that, if you're not trained properly it can get turned around and used against you, Sperry said.
    http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-nonl...,3098625.story
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    I'm GLAD to see it!!! Its about time we sent them a message
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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    Maybe some BG's will take note, oh wait they're too stupid to watch the news.

    PIERCE, KITSAP COUNTIES Police said homeowners either shot at or scared off intruders with guns in Bonney Lake and Gig Harbor in the latest of three incidents.
    The would-be burglaries were nearly back-to-back Thursday morning.

    http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crim...urglars/nMKns/


    What about the interview with WA Cease fire, what a tool.
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    I was watching this morning and liked how the News person made a comment that Gun Shops will probably be getting greater business now.
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    On Channel 7 news this AM their research has shown 8 incidents so far this year where armed homeowners have decided "enough!". The lucky ones are still cleaning the "skidmarks" out of their shorts. The rest are now memorialized on the Obituary Page.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    On Channel 7 news this AM their research has shown 8 incidents so far this year where armed homeowners have decided "enough!". The lucky ones are still cleaning the "skidmarks" out of their shorts. The rest are now memorialized on the Obituary Page.
    I wonder if ol' Ralphie Fascist-elli is cleaning is own skidmark at the point
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    I wonder if ol' Ralphie Fascist-elli is cleaning is own skidmark at the point
    I don't know about that but it sure is fun watching him eat his foot.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    I don't know about that but it sure is fun watching him eat his foot.
    I don't follow the reference, would someone care to elaborate for me please.

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    Car theft case leads to shots fired

    http://www.kimatv.com/news/local/Car...146566945.html

    Another case of a citizen protecting themselves while locating his stolen car with the thieves were sitting inside of it actually within a block of the Yakima Police Department.
    When he was threaten with a knife he employed his firearm but shot into the air stating he did so out of fear, personally I feel it would have been safer shooting into the perp thus avoid hitting an innocent person.
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    The lady with the revolver is awesome.
    It's cool seeing people prevail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire suppressor View Post
    I'm GLAD to see it!!! Its about time we sent them a message
    The funny tho strange thing is I've seen ALOT of instances lately both on the local AND national news of citizens defending their homes or their own lives with firearms where THE GUN OWNER is listed as THE VICTIM not the perp. What's even stranger is the local news is covering these stories WITHOUT their usual anti gun propaganda!!! One has to wonder what's up with that??? I'm NOT complaining tho mind you just flabbergasted is all but in a good way!!

    Could this be a trend??

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    http://www.kimatv.com/news/local/Car...146566945.html

    Another case of a citizen protecting themselves while locating his stolen car with the thieves were sitting inside of it actually within a block of the Yakima Police Department.
    When he was threaten with a knife he employed his firearm but shot into the air stating he did so out of fear, personally I feel it would have been safer shooting into the perp thus avoid hitting an innocent person.
    If I had 2 or more BGs in front of me I surely wouldn't be wasting rounds firing into the air!! Shooting them would seem much more practical besides..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by noname762 View Post
    The funny tho strange thing is I've seen ALOT of instances lately both on the local AND national news of citizens defending their homes or their own lives with firearms where THE GUN OWNER is listed as THE VICTIM not the perp. What's even stranger is the local news is covering these stories WITHOUT their usual anti gun propaganda!!! One has to wonder what's up with that??? I'm NOT complaining tho mind you just flabbergasted is all but in a good way!!

    Could this be a trend??
    Maybe they've actually noticed the change in attitude toward self defence. After all, reporting is not about facts - it's about giving the people what they want. Even of it's the truth.

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    I wouldn't shoot at a fleeing perp, even if it was to scare them off; what if I actually shot them...in the back! Bad to shoot at someone fleeing.

    A couple of years ago there was a man who shot his SKS from his balcony at a fleeing thief that was running off with the man's speaker box. Apparently the man was aiming for the perps leg and got him in the head (if I remember right). Tried to find the link but came-up empty handed. If I remember right the guy received two years for manslaughter.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I wouldn't shoot at a fleeing perp, even if it was to scare them off; what if I actually shot them...in the back! Bad to shoot at someone fleeing.

    A couple of years ago there was a man who shot his SKS from his balcony at a fleeing thief that was running off with the man's speaker box. Apparently the man was aiming for the perps leg and got him in the head (if I remember right). Tried to find the link but came-up empty handed. If I remember right the guy received two years for manslaughter.
    Actually it was a Mosin-Nagant, 7.62x54. Don't imagine the perp had much of a head left. Pity the good guy ended up going to jail over it.
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    Shooting at a fleeing man is NOT the act of a "good" man, He killed someone over "stuff", my firearm is to defend my life or my families life. Firearms are tools, you are responsible for the use of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitaeus View Post
    Shooting at a fleeing man is NOT the act of a "good" man, He killed someone over "stuff", my firearm is to defend my life or my families life. Firearms are tools, you are responsible for the use of it.

    Which I think is absolutely, 100% justified. Someone fleeing with your "stuff" is still robbing you. No, under current state law it is absolutely 100% illegal to shoot at someone in that case nor would I suggest someone do so. But that doesn't make the shooter a bad guy or even a "bad" guy. He just make a foolish choice under the current legal system. Illegal doesn't necessarily equal wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitaeus View Post
    Shooting at a fleeing man is NOT the act of a "good" man, He killed someone over "stuff", my firearm is to defend my life or my families life. Firearms are tools, you are responsible for the use of it.
    Is that why the penalty for cattle rustling was hanging?

    You're taking away a mans means of living and survival. Taking someones horse 150 yrs ago is the same as taking their car today........

    Morally speaking, I have NO problem stopping someone in unlawful possession of my property, using whatever means necessary. If that means the guy died over 3$ in change he just stole from my ash tray, then so be it.

    Legally speaking, however, is another issue entirely.

    When someone works, and spends time to make money, the things that are purchased with that money, are purchased with time, that they will not get back. Stealing a mans stuff is the same as stealing his life.

    Let's say I buy a used car for 5K, and am making 24k a year.. That would mean that 2 and 1/2 months of my life are gone, disappeared.... Stolen by the person who stole the car.. If that person wishes to risk losing the rest of his time, for me to regain/maintain my 2 1/2 months of my life spent earning that car, then so be it... Otherwise, you'd be spending another 2 1/2 months of your life, which you cannot get back, earning your car back...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitaeus View Post
    Shooting at a fleeing man is NOT the act of a "good" man, He killed someone over "stuff", my firearm is to defend my life or my families life. Firearms are tools, you are responsible for the use of it.
    No all home break-ins, where the owners are home, are for the purpose of harming the home owner. If the unfortunate were to happen and your are home during a break-in, do not employ physical force unless they, the perps, engage in behavior that goes beyond stealing your stuff. Remember, it's just stuff.
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
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    a break-in is different. The perp is in my house uninvited, I am not going to wait to find out their intentions. But if I were to arrive home just in time to see someone leaving with my stuff, meh, not going to sweat it. yes, I earned it, yes, they are stealing, but for me, my firearm is to protect lives, not possessions. I was raised by a buddhist mother. Lives are important to me. I can always make more money to buy replacement things, I cannot replace the life of a loved one. just my opinion. you are entitled to yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    No all home break-ins, where the owners are home, are for the purpose of harming the home owner. If the unfortunate were to happen and your are home during a break-in, do not employ physical force unless they, the perps, engage in behavior that goes beyond stealing your stuff. Remember, it's just stuff.
    How is the homeowner supposed to know if they are going to be harmed or not? Should they ask first? Perhaps the homeowner should help the burglar load the car with his stuff?

    Unless the burglar immediately and unequivocally retreats the homeowner in Washington will have a righteous shoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by psbart View Post
    a break-in is different. The perp is in my house uninvited, I am not going to wait to find out their intentions. But if I were to arrive home just in time to see someone leaving with my stuff, meh, not going to sweat it. yes, I earned it, yes, they are stealing, but for me, my firearm is to protect lives, not possessions. I was raised by a buddhist mother. Lives are important to me. I can always make more money to buy replacement things, I cannot replace the life of a loved one. just my opinion. you are entitled to yours.
    Granted....how about this. "I ain't here to hurt nobody, I didn't know nobody was home. I'm just gunna leave. No need for shooting anybody."
    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "Better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer" - English jurist William Blackstone.
    It is AFAIK original to me. Compromise is failure on the installment plan, particularly when dealing with so intractable an opponent as ignorance. - Nightmare

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    No all home break-ins, where the owners are home, are for the purpose of harming the home owner. If the unfortunate were to happen and your are home during a break-in, do not employ physical force unless they, the perps, engage in behavior that goes beyond stealing your stuff. Remember, it's just stuff.
    RCW 9A.52.025
    Residential burglary.

    (1) A person is guilty of residential burglary if, with intent to commit a crime against a person or property therein, the person enters or remains unlawfully in a dwelling other than a vehicle.

    (2) Residential burglary is a class B felony. In establishing sentencing guidelines and disposition standards, residential burglary is to be considered a more serious offense than second degree burglary.


    [2011 1st sp.s. c 40 38; 1989 2nd ex.s. c 1 1; 1989 c 412 1.]

    Notes:
    Application -- Recalculation of community custody terms -- 2011 1st sp.s. c 40: See note following RCW 9.94A.501.
    Effective date -- 1989 2nd ex.s. c 1: "This act shall take effect July 1, 1990." [1989 2nd ex.s. c 1 4; 1989 c 412 4.]

    RCW 9A.16.050
    Homicide By other person When justifiable.

    Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:

    (1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his or her presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or

    (2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his or her presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he or she is.

    A man fleeing is not going to meet the criteria above, a man IN your home meets the above criteria. Losing 3 months of your effort is NOT the same as a man losing the REST of his life. Would I prefer that he find an honest way to make a living, yes, will I defend my family, YES.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC for ME View Post
    Granted....how about this. "I ain't here to hurt nobody, I didn't know nobody was home. I'm just gunna leave. No need for shooting anybody."
    If he manages to get that out between target identification and pulling the trigger, I suppose that would be a judgement call, but since neither my wife nor I are going to do anything as stupid as talk to a burglar, I doubt it would come up.

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