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    OC With A Shoulder Holster



    Just thinking, but I believe it is ok.

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    It's OC unless you cover (conceal) with a garment. Your arm doesn't count.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FallonJeeper View Post
    It's OC unless you cover (conceal) with a garment. Your arm doesn't count.
    That is what I thought but wanted to make sure. I don't like to ASSUME

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    You'll probably get some grief from people who don't like to be muzzled behind you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FallonJeeper View Post
    You'll probably get some grief from people who don't like to be muzzled behind you.

    Ya, I'll walk in last That is kind of like I told my wife when we got married and I set the shotgun on the table and instructed the gun to shoot her-it didn't listen and she learned a lesson on guns, and the people behind them was the difference. I won't carry one in the chamber when shoulder carry etc. That is of today anyway. I wonder how many people CCW w/a shoulder holster and covered, and we don't even know it.

    Good tip though Jim,

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    I never had a problem with it. Back in the old days. I carried CCW in Florida, one in a shoulder holster and one on my ankle. Most of the shoulder holsters pointed backward, not down. Nobody ever knew. And... my .357 never threw any bullets out by accident.
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    Ya
    I'll just turn when I can out of courtesy.

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    If you're going to OC with a shoulder holster I'd highly recommend getting a vertical holster instead of the horizontal one you're wearing.
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xmanhockey7 View Post
    If you're going to OC with a shoulder holster I'd highly recommend getting a vertical holster instead of the horizontal one you're wearing.
    Why?

    Question-Is there a law on the way the holster is worn. Just asking.

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    No law in NV says a shoulder hoslter has to point down...up...diag...anythin like that. It's more of the safety thing of 'always point in a safe direction'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlittlerobot View Post
    No law in NV says a shoulder hoslter has to point down...up...diag...anythin like that. It's more of the safety thing of 'always point in a safe direction'
    Agreed-but there are those (i.e.) me who will wear them. Maybe a test around town and comments will help. It does feel real comfortable to wear and even w/a belt holster having not to keep pulling up my pants etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlittlerobot View Post
    No law in NV says a shoulder hoslter has to point down...up...diag...anythin like that. It's more of the safety thing of 'always point in a safe direction'
    To me it's not as much safety issue as it is someone standing or even being behind me and having the muzzle pointed at them. It's in a holster so I know it's safe but you may run into someone who will not like the muzzle being pointed at them (there are pro gun people who truly believe it is unsafe and no one should do it).
    "No state shall convert a liberty to a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.- Murdock vs Pennsylvania 319 US 105

    ...If the state converts a right into a privelege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right... with impunity.
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    Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
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    I'd say it is definitely discernible to ordinary observation, which is what the law requires for open carry. I don't think anyone can look at you and not know that you are carrying a gun.

    As for the muzzle pointing to the rear, there is no law. Also, with the gun pointed downward, you may find yourself on the second floor of a building, but of course unless the floor is made of glass no one would know the gun was pointed in their general direction. For an open muzzle holster I could see someone whining that the gun was pointed at them, but if it is a closed muzzle holster even though a piece of leather or plastic does not stop a bullet, I think psychologically it may be less bothersome to the hypothetical bothered observer. I don't think it is a safety issue though as guns do not go off by themselves.
    Last edited by Felid`Maximus; 04-08-2012 at 02:42 PM.

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    If it bothers someone behind me that the muzzle of my pistol points up and to the rear, they should simply consider it at invitation to not be so close behind me.

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    Thanks all for the comments.

    I'm gonna use it and when I get my CCW I will use it then as well.

    Thanks again,
    Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollbar View Post
    Ya, I'll walk in last That is kind of like I told my wife when we got married and I set the shotgun on the table and instructed the gun to shoot her-it didn't listen and she learned a lesson on guns, and the people behind them was the difference. I won't carry one in the chamber when shoulder carry etc. That is of today anyway. I wonder how many people CCW w/a shoulder holster and covered, and we don't even know it.

    Good tip though Jim,
    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Heckler Koch View Post
    ND is not the issue, but the caution to "cover with the muzzle that only which would be destroyed" is the issue.

    How well tailored are your coats and jackets? A pistol in your armpit is quite uncomfortable in a well but improperly tailored suit coat.
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    A well adjusted shoulder holster can be comfortable. It takes a little getting used to. If you're going to conceal carry, then you really need a loose fitting jacket. It doesn't have to be baggy or over sized, just a little loose.

    I don't ever recall hearing/reading a story where somebody got shot or an accidental discharge by a firearm that was being worn in a rear facing shoulder holster.

    When I carry my .40, in the case that it came in, the muzzle faces forward or rearward, depending on which hand I carry it with. It's never once fired uncommanded.

    Same thing, when you have your firearm in your car. Your muzzle is going to be facing somebody at some time. It can't be avoided. Felid`Maximus made a good point with being on the second floor.

    Now, if my firearm is out of the holster, and my my finger is around or on the trigger, then the muzzle becomes an issue.
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    Another topic of the same. See post #6.

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...53#post1735053

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    There is a sometime poster who posts as Las Vegan who did open carry with a shoulder holster. He made several of our open carry outings. He does have firsthand experience on the issue. He did stop using the shoulder holster for OCing. If I correctly understood him when I asked it was due to people politely telling him they were uncomfortable seeing the muzzle of his firearm unintentional pointing at them. I am not speaking for him or just sharing some info.

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    Understood-my sons and I each bought one for CCW but the question did come up, that is why I posted/video etc to ask. I can understand the reasons.

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    You guys could look like Crocket and Tubbs from Miami Vice.

    Come on, admit we know you loved that show.
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    Ya, back in the day

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    Quote Originally Posted by 28kfps View Post
    There is a sometime poster who posts as Las Vegan who did open carry with a shoulder holster. He made several of our open carry outings. He does have firsthand experience on the issue. He did stop using the shoulder holster for OCing. If I correctly understood him when I asked it was due to people politely telling him they were uncomfortable seeing the muzzle of his firearm unintentional pointing at them. I am not speaking for him or just sharing some info.
    *hand in the air* That would be me. When I OC one of my primary concerns is retention, and I personally feel much safer from a gun grab with a shoulder holster that I do with a belt holster unless the belt holster is worn in the appendix position (somewhere between 12:30 and 1:30). I still wear a shoulder holster almost every day CC'd under a suit jacket, but when OCing frankly I'm tired of getting looks like I'm the guy who farted in the elevator.

    Yes, there were some who politely expressed concerns in person, and I hopefully replied just as politely my views on the subject, in my case backed up by actual facts as well as the documented opinion of Col. Cooper, the guy that everyone loves to selectively quote.

    For the sake of not beating this poor, dead horse, I'll just say that I am perfectly happy to OC a horizontal shoulder holster whenever and wherever I see fit, comfortable in my knowledge of both the law and gun safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Las Vegan View Post
    *hand in the air* That would be me. When I OC one of my primary concerns is retention, and I personally feel much safer from a gun grab with a shoulder holster that I do with a belt holster unless the belt holster is worn in the appendix position (somewhere between 12:30 and 1:30). I still wear a shoulder holster almost every day CC'd under a suit jacket, but when OCing frankly I'm tired of getting looks like I'm the guy who farted in the elevator.

    Yes, there were some who politely expressed concerns in person, and I hopefully replied just as politely my views on the subject, in my case backed up by actual facts as well as the documented opinion of Col. Cooper, the guy that everyone loves to selectively quote.

    For the sake of not beating this poor, dead horse, I'll just say that I am perfectly happy to OC a horizontal shoulder holster whenever and wherever I see fit, comfortable in my knowledge of both the law and gun safety.
    Thanks LV. Kind of figured you would be jumping in and correct any of my assumptions on your experience.

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    Lol, yeah, me and my big mouth.
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