if you have no actual address can you have a CPL?

This question was asked of me. Can he have a CPL if he has no actual address. He has a Po Box on his drivers license, but due to medical and financial problems stays with different family members for a month here and with another family member at another address in the same area, and some times a friends place.

How would someone with this issue get a CPL?

To be honest I was stumped, because I never thought about anyone having his problems or address issue. It is legal to have a PO Box on a drivers license so why not a PO Box on a CPL?

It also occurred to me many retired people sell their homes and travel in Motor Homes and have no physical address other than a PO Box...

I don't see why not. Here's the MSPs synopsis of the CPL requirments.

No mention of needing a fixed physical address.

http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123-1591_3503_4654-10926--,00.html

[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+1]Concealed Pistol License Requirements[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]A. State Requirements Applicants for a Michigan Concealed Pistol License must: 1. Be at least 21 years of age 2. Be a citizen of the United States or an immigrant alien lawfully admitted into the United States 3. Be a resident of the State of Michigan for at least 6 months prior to application. An applicant is a state resident if one of the following applies: The applicant possesses a valid, lawfully obtained Michigan driver's license or state identification card The applicant is lawfully registered to vote in Michigan The applicant is on active duty status with the United States Armed Forces and stationed outside of Michigan, but Michigan is the home of record The applicant is on active duty status with the United States Armed Forces and is permanently stationed in Michigan, but the home of record is another state Note: The 6-month residency requirement may be waived by the concealed pistol licensing board for new residents licensed by another state. 4. Have successfully completed a pistol safety training course 5. Not be subject to any of the following: An order requiring involuntary hospitalization or alternative treatment An order finding legal incapacitation A finding of not guilty by reason of insanity 6. Not be subject to a conditional bond release prohibiting purchase or possession of a firearm 7. Not be subject to a personal protection order 8. Not be prohibited from possessing, using, transporting, selling, purchasing, carrying, shipping, receiving, or distributing a firearm under MCL 750.224f 9. Have never been convicted of a felony in Michigan or elsewhere 10. Have no felony charge pending in Michigan or elsewhere 11. Have not been dishonorably discharged from the United States Armed Forces 12. Have not been convicted of one of the following misdemeanors in the 8 years immediately preceding the date of application: Failing to stop when involved in a personal injury accident, MCL 257.617a Operating while intoxicated, second offense, MCL 257.625(9)(b) Drunk driving, commercial vehicle, MCL 257.625m(4) Reckless driving, MCL 257.626 Driving while license suspended or revoked, second or subsequent offense, MCL 257.904 Operating aircraft while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or a controlled substance with prior conviction, MCL 259.185 Hindering or obstructing certain persons performing official weights and measures duties, MCL 290.629 Hindering, obstructing, assaulting, or committing bodily injury upon director or authorized representative, MCL 290.650 Operating an ORV under the influence of intoxicating liquor or a controlled substance, second or subsequent offense, MCL 324.81134(5)-(6) Operating a snowmobile under the influence of intoxicating liquor or a controlled substance, second or subsequent offense, MCL 324.82127 punishable under section MCL 324.82128(1)(b) or (c) Operating a vessel under the influence of intoxicating liquor or a controlled substance, second or subsequent offense, MCL 324.80176 punishable under MCL 324.80177(1)(b) Possessing a controlled substance, controlled substance analogue, or prescription form, MCL 333.7403. Operating a locomotive under the influence of intoxicating liquor or a controlled substance, or while visibly impaired, MCL 462.353(4) Displaying sexually explicit matter to minors, MCL 722.677 Assault or domestic assault, MCL 750.81 Aggravated assault or aggravated domestic assault, MCL 750.81a Breaking and entering or entering without breaking, MCL 750.115 Fourth-degree child abuse, MCL 750.136b Accosting, enticing, or soliciting a child for immoral purposes, MCL 750.145a Vulnerable adult abuse, MCL 750.145n Solicitation to commit a felony, MCL 750.157b Impersonating a peace officer or medical examiner, MCL 750.215 Illegal sale of a firearm or ammunition, MCL 750.223 Illegal use or sale of a self-defense spray, MCL 750.224d Sale or possession of a switchblade, MCL 750.226a Improper transportation of a loaded firearm, MCL 750.227c Failure to have a pistol inspected, MCL 750.228 Accepting a pistol in pawn, MCL 750.229 Failure to register the purchase of a firearm or a firearm component, MCL 750.232 Improperly obtaining a pistol, making a false statement on an application to purchase a pistol, or using false identification to purchase a pistol, MCL 750.232a Intentionally aiming a firearm without malice, MCL 750.233 Intentionally discharging a firearm aimed without malice, MCL 750.234 Possessing a firearm on prohibited premises, MCL 750.234d Brandishing a firearm in public, MCL 750.234e Possession of a firearm by an individual less than 18 years of age, MCL 750.234f Intentionally discharging a firearm aimed without malice causing injury, MCL 750.235 Parent of a minor who possessed a firearm in a weapon-free school zone, MCL 750.235a Setting a spring gun or other device, MCL 750.236 Possessing a firearm while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or a drug, MCL 750.237 Weapon-free school zone violation, MCL 750.237a Indecent exposure, MCL 750.335a Stalking, MCL 750.411h Fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct, MCL 750.520e Reckless, careless, or negligent use of a firearm resulting in injury or death, MCL 752.861 Careless, reckless, or negligent use of a firearm resulting in property damage, MCL 752.862 Reckless discharge of a firearm, MCL 752.863a Note: The applicant must not have violated a law of the United States, another state, or a local unit of government of this state or another state substantially corresponding to a violation described above. 13. Have not been convicted of one of the following misdemeanors in the 3 years immediately preceding the date of application: Operating under the influence, MCL 257.625 Refusal of commercial vehicle operator to submit to a chemical test, MCL 257.625a Ignition interlock device reporting violation, MCL 257.625k Circumventing an ignition interlocking device, MCL 257.625l Operating a commercial vehicle with alcohol content, MCL 257.625m(3) Operating an aircraft under the influence, MCL 259.185 Operating an ORV under the influence, MCL 324.81134 Operating an ORV while visibly impaired, MCL 324.81135 Operating a snowmobile under the influence, MCL 324.82127 Controlled substances, MCL 333.7401 to 333.7461 Operating a locomotive under the influence, MCL 462.353(3) Disorderly person, MCL 750.167 Embezzlement, MCL 750.174 False pretenses with intent to defraud, MCL 750.218 Larceny, MCL 750.356 Second-degree retail fraud, MCL 750.356d Larceny, vacant building, MCL 750.359 Larceny, by conversion, MCL 750.362 Larceny, defrauding lessor, MCL 750.362a Malicious destruction of property, MCL 750.377a Malicious destruction of real property, MCL 750.380 Receiving stolen property, MCL 750.535 Malicious use of telephones, MCL 750.540e Note: The applicant must not have violated a law of the United States, another state, or a local unit of government of this state or another state substantially corresponding to a violation described above. 14. Have not been found guilty but mentally ill of any crime and has not offered a plea of not guilty of, or been acquitted of, any crime by reason of insanity 15. Have never been subject to an order of involuntary commitment in an inpatient or outpatient setting due to a mental illness 16. Not have a diagnosed mental illness at the time the application is made, regardless of whether he or she is receiving treatment 17. Not be under a court order of legal incapacity in this state or elsewhere 18. Not be detrimental to the safety of his or her self or any other person if issued a Concealed Pistol License B. Federal Requirements Pursuant to MCL 28.426, a Concealed Pistol License may not be issued to a person prohibited under federal law from possessing or transporting a firearm. The federal requirements to possess or transport a firearm include that the applicant: 1. Not have been convicted in any court of, or under indictment for, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year (i.e. felony, or any misdemeanor punishable by more than 2 years) 2. Not be a fugitive of justice 3. Not be an unlawful user of, or addicted to, any controlled substance, as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802) 4. Not be adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution 5. Not be an alien who is illegally or unlawfully in the United States 6. Not be discharged from the United States Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions 7. Not have renounced his or her citizenship 8. Not be subject to a court order prohibiting harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner or from engaging in other conduct that would place the partner or child in reasonable fear of bodily injury. 9. Not be convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.[/SIZE][/FONT]

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Bronson

Thanks, that's all I can find, but we all know how politicians twist things, and I wanted to be sure before imparting this information to the person who asked me.

Bronson said:

I don't see why not. Here's the MSPs synopsis of the CPL requirments.

No mention of needing a fixed physical address.

http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123-1591_3503_4654-10926--,00.html

Bronson

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It becomes a problem when buying a gun. The ATF requires that your government-issued photo ID show your actual, current, physical residence address.

http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2001-5.html

Full time RVers, some truck drivers, and others might not have a fixed long-term residence. They encounter lots of problems because of that, becaue the government generally likes everyone to fit into neat little boxes.

alphamale said:

This question was asked of me. Can he have a CPL if he has no actual address. He has a Po Box on his drivers license, but due to medical and financial problems stays with different family members for a month here and with another family member at another address in the same area, and some times a friends place.

How would someone with this issue get a CPL?

To be honest I was stumped, because I never thought about anyone having his problems or address issue. It is legal to have a PO Box on a drivers license so why not a PO Box on a CPL?

It also occurred to me many retired people sell their homes and travel in Motor Homes and have no physical address other than a PO Box...

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I thought one couldn't use a PO Box on a Driver's License:

see: the very last sentence on this page: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/DE40_032001_20459_7.pdf
and the MCL says "residence address" for a DL: http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-257-307

DrTodd said:

I thought one couldn't use a PO Box on a Driver's License:

see: the very last sentence on this page: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/DE40_032001_20459_7.pdf
and the MCL says "residence address" for a DL: http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-257-307

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Agreed...I always thought PO Boxes were not allowed for the DL.

Bronson said:

I don't see why not. Here's the MSPs synopsis of the CPL requirments.

No mention of needing a fixed physical address.

http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123-1591_3503_4654-10926--,00.html

Bronson

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Given some of the reasons for losing a CPL or having one rejected, one can assume when the government want fewer of these things we will probably all have been guilty of at least one rule.

Thanks for the input, but I know several people who had PO Boxes on the drivers licenses, including me and it was not even my idea, it was the secretary of State that suggested it. When I moved to a property that had no actual street address and only a property Tax number the Secretary of state used my PO Box. Previously I did have an address prior to the move, so I wonder is the rule only for new applications for a drivers license?

DrTodd said:

I thought one couldn't use a PO Box on a Driver's License:

see: the very last sentence on this page: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/DE40_032001_20459_7.pdf
and the MCL says "residence address" for a DL: http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-257-307

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we agree on the neat little box, they want to control us like rats.

KBCraig said:

It becomes a problem when buying a gun. The ATF requires that your government-issued photo ID show your actual, current, physical residence address.

http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2001-5.html

Full time RVers, some truck drivers, and others might not have a fixed long-term residence. They encounter lots of problems because of that, because the government generally likes everyone to fit into neat little boxes.

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alphamale said:

Thanks for the input, but I know several people who had PO Boxes on the drivers licenses, including me and it was not even my idea, it was the secretary of State that suggested it. When I moved to a property that had no actual street address and only a property Tax number the Secretary of state used my PO Box. Previously I did have an address prior to the move, so I wonder is the rule only for new applications for a drivers license?

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I'm not doubting you; this is what I've been told and what I saw on the website (see previous post).
My post office didn't even let me have a box until I had a physical address that I could then put on the PO box form.

I called the State of Michigan and after a long wait and run around, I was transferred to a technician as they called her. She stated any address will work, a friend, relative, ect. The legislature wrote the law prior to the many homeless we have today, and retired doing the motor home thing I guess. Now in asking her this she did state that you can have both an address and a PO Box so the mail can get to you. She said the reason they had the law written this way was in case for some reason your drivers license was suspended they can mail you the notice and someone can get a hold of you. I suspect she was speaking of the suspension as an opinion merely.

Now for the Post office you are correct, which again is strange because some people get their mail as General delivery which really makes the address thing obsolete, but when did Government ever make any sense? There is a way around the PO Box address thing, you can get a second Vacation PO Box without the address requirement and then move to that second location, and drop the old PO box and and forward your mail, odd huh?

It was so typical of a Government agency, 3 people 5 different answers. But I thank you again Dr. Todd and the others for the input.

DrTodd said:

I'm not doubting you; this is what I've been told and what I saw on the website (see previous post).
My post office didn't even let me have a box until I had a physical address that I could then put on the PO box form.

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It's a pretty interesting question, one I may very well have to ask myself should I finally get to move out of Bastrop. It is very likely that wherever I move, I well be getting a job first and staying with friends temporarily for an unknown amount of time.

I loath the idea of having to change address multiple times over a short period.

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As an aside, I have a PO box and if the form or whatever I'm dealing with needs a street address, I've put the street address of the post office and used my PO # as an apartment number. The office is small and they laughed when I did this, but they did accept it. I don't know if any other post office would also accept it.

That's a novel idea, my post office is even smaller and they guy who works there is real easy going and wouldn't care if I did the same. Thanks for the idea.

DrTodd said:

As an aside, I have a PO box and if the form or whatever I'm dealing with needs a street address, I've put the street address of the post office and used my PO # as an apartment number. The office is small and they laughed when I did this, but they did accept it. I don't know if any other post office would also accept it.

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I have assumed that a PO is fine and have written 3 PO box training certifications, 2 in Wayne county and 1 in Macomb, this was some time ago no one has called me back with any issues so far. My assumption is that the law says:

. "Be a resident of the State of Michigan for at least 6 months prior to
application. An applicant is a state resident if one of the following
applies:"