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briehl12 said:

This may have been talked about before but anything I need to know about going to the reservation either oc or cc?

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Metalhead47 said:

Other than that, just look at the reservations as private property (which they are). Tribal police cannot enforce tribal law upon non-tribe members, but they can ask you to leave the reservation outright.

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hermannr said:

Some reservations restrict, some do not...you need to know the tribal law..generally speaking public highways and places like outside at gas stations are OK. Some tribes (Colville's) do have a tribal permit, is a may issue through the tribal council if you wish to carry off the public roadways..basically, just respect their tribal rights and you will do fine.

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sudden valley gunner said:

Respect has a lot to do with it. Some white Americans are very arrogant and self important, they are the ones that tend to have the most problems on tribal land.

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ManInBlack said:

Let's be fair now; the sword cuts both ways. As a hunter, I have heard my fill of high-and-mighty, holier-than-thou platitudes from American Indians about how they are "guardians of the land," and have a "special relationship with nature" because of the DNA in their blood. All the while, of course, ignoring the fact that their ancestors, like other Stone Age hunter-gatherers, did things like run huge herds of buffalo and elk over cliffs, and set forest fires to drive out game. I don't really have a problem with that, per se, because you do what you have to do feed your family, but it's really no different from what ancient Europeans did 15,000 years ago. People are people.

With regards to tribal land, let me say that I have no problem with tribes being truly autonomous and sovereign. In fact, I advocate the secession of ethnically and culturally distinct groups to preserve their uniqueness, should they so desire. However, the American Indians have it both ways; they have "sovereign land" where they can make laws, restrict ownership to tribal members, deny fundamental American Constitutional rights, don't pay taxes, etc., but yet they are American citizens, can vote in elections, can travel off the reservation without passports, can import/export to and from the reservation without paying any duties or fees, receive federal government benefits, etc. In my humble opinion, this double-standard is not fair for anyone, and should be rectified either by true independence or by absorption.

ETA: In many cases, the appalling poverty seen on some reservations is the direct result of mismanagement or outright corruption of tribal leadership, who screw over their own people out of incompetence or personal gain. Again, no different from the situation of white Americans vis-a-vis the government.

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sudden valley gunner said:

I don't see much I disagree with there. This hippy myth of Natives living in harmony with nature is well just a myth.

I point to the Rez as a perfect example of why depending on someone else is horrible way to live it saps human will and innovation, motivation right out of ya that a welfare state is good for no one. And yep corruption on tribal politics is rampant, like my cousins and I say gov is corrupt from the Federal level to State to County to tribal.

As far as U.S citizenry goes, I feel tribal members should be able to renounce it if they want. That is a double edged sword. One thing to remember though is that many of the things "white" folks complain about as unfair was given to natives for exchange of their land and as a peace treaty so we wouldn't keep killing each other.

I lived several years in Hawaii, I got along great with locals, being part native may have helped, the culture of respect was similar and I fit in. I would tend to avoid some Haole's because when you are on the other side you do notice the arrogance and "air of superiority" some exhibit. You see this on the Rez too with some white visitors, who just assume their methods and their culture is better than others. This is something I have observed between cultures in general too, folks from India, Russia, China, etc...bashing the western culture and not respecting how we do things here too... they are the ones who usually complain about rampant racism, when in actuality people just don't like them personally, not because of their skin color. (disclaimer, I have many friends from many cultures, who don't do this, and am not bashing any ethnicity or culture )

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