papa bear
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and whose fault is their "wealth" factor. the amount of wealth that a person has, does not correlate to the moral fiber of the comunity
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Tourist beaten, stripped, and robbed in Baltimore, MD
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and whose fault is their "wealth" factor. the amount of wealth that a person has, does not correlate to the moral fiber of the comunity
Yaki
Regular Member
Thank you Stanley.. I get sick of people acting like Jesse or Al represent me.. They do not. I get tired of hearing idiots people lump all black people in the same group. I look at the actions of a few as sickening.
I also don't call every white person a kkk member. I great friends of all races and we get along great. It does seem common on Ca CCW, calguns, and here for people to make dumb ass statements.
It would be interesting to see how mch better we could make things for gun owners ccw or open carry if those of both races would pull their heads out of their asses and work together instead of dividing. Fortunately I decided long ago to ignore the ignorant comments of all races on these boards.
I weed thru the stupidty and find the things tht can help me when i talk to city government and citizens about the pros of owning firearms.
Thank you for listening and now you can go back to your bs :banghead:
Sig229
Regular Member
Pennsylvania Ave. and MLK Blvd. come to mind. I got stuck down there once at night and it looked like a zombie movie.
Hell, even the Inner Harbor now at night is no place to be. And for decades the Inner Harbor, even at night was considered a safe place.
I even had a black friend who got robbed down there.
Im not a woman, but I carried illegally for years down there. I didnt like breaking the law, but it was necessary. I was not going to let some animal take my life or cause me bodily harm for a few dolalrs in my pocket.
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rscottie
Regular Member
And if an Hispanic man defends himself against a black man, the media calls him white and makes it about race.
ccwinstructor
Centurion
Much more complicated than "poverty creates crime"
It is not at all clear that poverty creates crime in the United States. After all, even poor people in the United States would be upper middle class in much of the rest of the world. The other side of this is that crime tends to create poverty as well, so if you have a community that tolerates crime, it is very hard to accumulate wealth.
In addition, attitudes that contribute to criminality also work against the creation of wealth. Poor impulse control and an unwillingness to plan and work for a future beyond the immediate tend to foster both crime and low net worth.
From my studies, I do not think it is race or racism that is the cause of high levels of poverty and crime in the black population. I believe it is a number of factors that have come together in a culture that does not trust civil society, and thus does not trust in the rule of law.
If you look at European cultures in the Middle ages, when the rule of law was far less dependable, the murder rates are comparable to that of the black urban ghettos of today.
What can be done, if this is the case? The experience in New York City, and that of David Kennedy point the way. An intolerance for crime must be developed. Even if the intolerance is just for violent crime, David Kennedy's work shows that intolerance for those who commit violent crimes can do a great deal to reduce homicides.
http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/01/background-checks-failed-paradigm.html
Neither of these approaches rely on an increase in wealth or a reduction in relative poverty.
It is likely that both would occur, however, as the crime rate was lowered. It seems likely that a lower crime rate would result in a greater faith in the rule of law.
It is not at all clear that poverty creates crime in the United States. After all, even poor people in the United States would be upper middle class in much of the rest of the world. The other side of this is that crime tends to create poverty as well, so if you have a community that tolerates crime, it is very hard to accumulate wealth.
In addition, attitudes that contribute to criminality also work against the creation of wealth. Poor impulse control and an unwillingness to plan and work for a future beyond the immediate tend to foster both crime and low net worth.
From my studies, I do not think it is race or racism that is the cause of high levels of poverty and crime in the black population. I believe it is a number of factors that have come together in a culture that does not trust civil society, and thus does not trust in the rule of law.
If you look at European cultures in the Middle ages, when the rule of law was far less dependable, the murder rates are comparable to that of the black urban ghettos of today.
What can be done, if this is the case? The experience in New York City, and that of David Kennedy point the way. An intolerance for crime must be developed. Even if the intolerance is just for violent crime, David Kennedy's work shows that intolerance for those who commit violent crimes can do a great deal to reduce homicides.
http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/01/background-checks-failed-paradigm.html
Neither of these approaches rely on an increase in wealth or a reduction in relative poverty.
It is likely that both would occur, however, as the crime rate was lowered. It seems likely that a lower crime rate would result in a greater faith in the rule of law.
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papa bear
Regular Member
good post CCWINSTRUCTOR, that is a point that i have tried to make for years. poverty does not = more crime. if it did then the Amish would be the most imprisoned people (of course there are some pretty wealth Amish). it is a lack of moral ethics. there are less and less of them being taught these days
one thing i would like to add too is the government sometimes makes more crime by the laws they enact. think of it this way. if they make a law that illegals zippers how many outlaws would there be then
BTW, is your handle that you teach how to handle a Concealed Carried Weapons or how to get a government permission slip (CHP)
one thing i would like to add too is the government sometimes makes more crime by the laws they enact. think of it this way. if they make a law that illegals zippers how many outlaws would there be then
BTW, is your handle that you teach how to handle a Concealed Carried Weapons or how to get a government permission slip (CHP)
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
The problem is not race, it is special treatment based on race. Any person of any race are going to have people do bad things when they are given a special excuse. So really the problem is not black people, it is mostly white people(elitists), and some other races including blacks, that set up a set of circumstances over time that made ignorant people blame others for whatever. And white politicians put a rubber stamp on those excuses to get votes from classes of people.
Two things to happen Black people need to step up and put a stop to the game.
White people need to step up and put a stop to the game.
All the other races need to step up and put a stop to the game.
OK OK that is three.
There are legitimate cases of racism, gun control is a big one, and it seems most minorities have been tricked into supporting it. Getting rid of gun control would reduce these problems. A firearm is a great equalizer, no matter which race it is. Nobody wants to get shot, black, white, or other.
Two things to happen Black people need to step up and put a stop to the game.
White people need to step up and put a stop to the game.
All the other races need to step up and put a stop to the game.
OK OK that is three.
There are legitimate cases of racism, gun control is a big one, and it seems most minorities have been tricked into supporting it. Getting rid of gun control would reduce these problems. A firearm is a great equalizer, no matter which race it is. Nobody wants to get shot, black, white, or other.
Rusty Young Man
Regular Member
I'm glad you get it WalkingWolf. I have several friends that seem to believe any black, Latino, Jew, etc. is a "victim" because of their ancestry, regardless of their actual status today. A lot of my friends and aquaintances can't grasp why I don't think of myself as a victim. As a Latino, I guess I'm supposed to play the victim angle for all it is worth and demand that the government give me free health care or something because of the way Latinos have been treated in the past.
As Mr. ColionNoir so eloquently pointed out in his videos, maybe it's time for minorities to look at the history of "gun control" and see the overtly racist arguments that started it.
Gil223
Regular Member
At the risk of coming off "racist", and raising Stanly's ire...
What I saw on that video was one more incident of "Knockout" aka "The Kockout Game". Committing felony assault on another human being is not a "game" of any sort! Civilized people would not willfully attack another human being who had done them no harm, or had not provided them with some impetus for such an attack, as was demonstrated by the responses of those interviewed after the attack. Here's a little something from the Wall Street Journal, 2 June 2013 (fair use applies):
How does any of this relate to OC? Some posit that if the victim in this case had been OC'ing, it may not have turned out so badly for the victim. The victim was SUCKER PUNCHED! Not only would they have gotten everything else he owned, he also would have lost his firearm (I also got the impression that he may have been a bit tipsy). If I were to encounter a large group of people during an early morning or late night stroll (which I never take), I would move at a casual pace to the other side of the street. If the group moved with me, I would be ready to defend myself. If there were more than 17 of them, I might have to change magazines. Pax...
What I saw on that video was one more incident of "Knockout" aka "The Kockout Game". Committing felony assault on another human being is not a "game" of any sort! Civilized people would not willfully attack another human being who had done them no harm, or had not provided them with some impetus for such an attack, as was demonstrated by the responses of those interviewed after the attack. Here's a little something from the Wall Street Journal, 2 June 2013 (fair use applies):
Although it is not mentioned in this particular article, every other article and video I have seen regarding this "game" has either stated or shown that the perpetrators were black youths.
How does any of this relate to OC? Some posit that if the victim in this case had been OC'ing, it may not have turned out so badly for the victim. The victim was SUCKER PUNCHED! Not only would they have gotten everything else he owned, he also would have lost his firearm (I also got the impression that he may have been a bit tipsy). If I were to encounter a large group of people during an early morning or late night stroll (which I never take), I would move at a casual pace to the other side of the street. If the group moved with me, I would be ready to defend myself. If there were more than 17 of them, I might have to change magazines. Pax...
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Rusty Young Man
Regular Member
Reduce your chances of being victimized
Another reason to remember that, all other factors aside, drinking (and other things, including lack of sleep) impairs our senses, which could prove fatal.
+1 for situational awareness and subtle defensive maneuvers.
But I thought no one needed more than ten rounds?:uhoh:
I guess the criminals didn't get the memo to play fair.
Another reason to remember that, all other factors aside, drinking (and other things, including lack of sleep) impairs our senses, which could prove fatal.
+1 for situational awareness and subtle defensive maneuvers.
But I thought no one needed more than ten rounds?:uhoh:
I guess the criminals didn't get the memo to play fair.
eye95
Well-known member
Had he been OCing, he likely would NOT have been sucker-punched. We have more evidence that thugs avoid carriers than evidence that thugs target OCers (in fact, I know of none of the latter).
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
And if he had been CCing the thugs would not know it, still consider him a unarmed victim, and as a bonus acquired a firearm without a UBC.