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Liberals that OC

LiberalOCarrier

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"I 've noticed by browsing through some the post that any negativity against guns the liberals get all the blame. I have no data, but I can almost guarantee that most of the law enforcement that hates to see us expressing our 2A rights are rightwing . Plus, most liberals hate cops anyway!

http://www.liberalswithguns.com/page2.html"
 

KYGlockster

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Haha. It is the liberals in congress that try so hard to remove or restrict our second amendment rights. It is the liberals in the supreme court that say the second amendment does not apply to private ownership. It is the liberals, who if they still had control of the house, would have placed severe restrictions on our 2A rights, remember, just like they did in '94! It is the liberals who are always shouting for more gun control, and less punishment for violent offenders "mannn!" It is the liberals who love the 1st amendment, cause it is soooo awesome, but hate the 2nd because it is old and outdated! When they stop trying to remove and restrict my 2A rights, I will stop blaming them!
 

KYKevin

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I know liberals who carry. We are the fools who help feed the us vs. them in politics. I have always said. The 2A issue is an AMERICAN issue. Not republican vs. democrat issue. They want to us to think it is. This only helps to keep us divided and creates an up hill battle for 2A. What did Bush do to promote 2A? Nothing. Obama has done nothing to hurt 2A since he has been in. It is just another issue they can use to stir up votes. Neither side really wants us carry weapons. Regardless of what they say during elections.

And then if you want to blame someone when bad laws are passed. Just look in the mirror. We are all to blame. Don't blame them. We believe their crap and We put em there.

If you don't believe people feed into this us vs. them frenzy just go visit our social area of the forums.

IT IS AN AMERICAN ISSUE PERIOD!
 

LiberalOCarrier

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I know liberals who carry. We are the fools who help feed the us vs. them in politics. I have always said. The 2A issue is an AMERICAN issue. Not republican vs. democrat issue. They want to us to think it is. This only helps to keep us divided and creates an up hill battle for 2A. What did Bush do to promote 2A? Nothing. Obama has done nothing to hurt 2A since he has been in. It is just another issue they can use to stir up votes. Neither side really wants us carry weapons. Regardless of what they say during elections.

And then if you want to blame someone when bad laws are passed. Just look in the mirror. We are all to blame. Don't blame them. We believe their crap and We put em there.

If you don't believe people feed into this us vs. them frenzy just go visit our social area of the forums.

IT IS AN AMERICAN ISSUE PERIOD!

Great point! You are absolutely correct. I just get tired of seeing all the post about liberal this or liberal that.
 

ldsgeek

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I don't like to use the term liberal when referring to progressives/leftist/socialists/statists. The true liberals in this country died out around 200 years ago, with the last of the founders. A true liberal would be one who is for personal responsiblility above all, one who understands that anyone walking free has all the same rights, no matter what the past holds, one who believes that the government is meant to be small. Very few of these live today, and none in politics. Call them what they are, but not liberal.
 

Aknazer

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Not all liberals hate guns. Not all conservatives like guns. But by and large most liberals don't like guns while most conservatives are at least ok with guns. Now each person will be judged based off of their actions, but when associating with a group you in effect take on that group's default views until you show otherwise.

So I'm going to assume that any liberal I meet dislikes guns because that is the overall stance of their group. I'm not going to accuse the invidual of disliking guns, but it is what I expect until they show otherwise. If the person has no problems with guns then great! but due to who they choose to associate with I'm not expecting it.

If liberals don't want to have the default anti-2A until they show otherwise then the individuals need to either change the stance of the group or they need to associate with a different group. After all, if the company I kept was nothing but thugs and criminals I wouldn't be surprised when people thought I was a thug/criminal regardless of how I actually am (note that I'm not trying to say that liberals are thugs/criminals, simply using it as an example of "guilt by association").
 

Beretta92FSLady

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Not all liberals hate guns. Not all conservatives like guns. But by and large most liberals don't like guns while most conservatives are at least ok with guns. Now each person will be judged based off of their actions, but when associating with a group you in effect take on that group's default views until you show otherwise.

So I'm going to assume that any liberal I meet dislikes guns because that is the overall stance of their group. I'm not going to accuse the invidual of disliking guns, but it is what I expect until they show otherwise. If the person has no problems with guns then great! but due to who they choose to associate with I'm not expecting it.

If liberals don't want to have the default anti-2A until they show otherwise then the individuals need to either change the stance of the group or they need to associate with a different group. After all, if the company I kept was nothing but thugs and criminals I wouldn't be surprised when people thought I was a thug/criminal regardless of how I actually am (note that I'm not trying to say that liberals are thugs/criminals, simply using it as an example of "guilt by association").

It's funny you should mention association since most people I take to the range with me are Liberals; they're the only ones who ask to go.

Guilt by association=Beretta92fsLady is a Conservative, Libertarian, Fundamentalist, Capitalist, Absolutist, Platonist, etc. HA haa haa haa
 
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WOD

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I'm what some may call a Liberal, but I'm not one of those Liberals. I'm also, Conservative, Libertarian, Progressive, Moderate, etc..

I don't want to reduce, or take rights away from anybody, I want to see the ones we have already, respected, by all.

I'm not a party-line dogma purveyor, because I can (and do) change my mind on issues, when the facts change.

I OC and CC.

I don't like extremist politics, or policies. Moderation, and common sense, should be the norm. Sadly though, common sense has been replaced with Agendas and Dogma from both extremes.
 

OC for ME

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I don't like to use the term liberal when referring to progressives/leftist/socialists/statists. The true liberals in this country died out around 200 years ago, with the last of the founders. A true liberal would be one who is for personal responsiblility above all, one who understands that anyone walking free has all the same rights, no matter what the past holds, one who believes that the government is meant to be small. Very few of these live today, and none in politics. Call them what they are, but not liberal.
Good point, but liberals, today, call themselves liberal, their actions have defined their ideology. Conservatives and conservatism are no different.

The meaning has changed, over time....go figure.

But, we have what we have, today, not 200 years ago. It is today that we must concern ourselves with, unlike liberals who routinely go back 200 years to prove their point regarding the 'real' meaning and purpose of the 2A. Conservatives, or more importantly conservatism, on the other hand, today, goes back 200 years and reads what the meaning and purpose of the 2A was then and is today, base on what the drafters of that document meant it to be and what it's purpose is.

So, liberals OC, cool. If the state comes to confiscate their guns based on liberal (big government) politicians who get laws enacted to permit confiscation, will they still be a liberal?

By the way, based on my past votes, I can not be blamed for the erosion of our 2A right. In fact, my past votes have consistently gone to candidates that acted to restore my unfettered 2A right. It is all those other folks who are responsible. You vote for a liberal/RINO and a 'moderate', you deserve what you get. Unfortunately I have been affected also.

And, didn't Obama sign the law that allows carry on federal lands/parks? Props to him on that one.
 

KYGlockster

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And, didn't Obama sign the law that allows carry on federal lands/parks? Props to him on that one.

No. Obama signed a bill that pertained to credit legislation into law, and this provision was added to the bill before it got to him. This happens all the time in the federal legislature, "If you want us to pass this bill, then we are adding this provision!" Research it!
 

ldsgeek

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So, he signed a law that permitted carry on federal lands/parks. Research it!

He only signed the law that contained that (completely unrelated) provision because the main point of the law, a credit card reform measure, was considered more desirable than vetoing the firearms section. Had he been able to approve the main credit card section and veto the firearms section I believe he would have done so. Also, if I recall correctly, the development of the firearms section was started under the Bush administration, as at that time the Dems controlled both the House and Senate.
 

nobama

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Do you really think Obama would like people to carry in parks? Really? I will tell you, Obozo would love nothing more than to disarm us peasants.
 

SouthernBoy

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I don't like to use the term liberal when referring to progressives/leftist/socialists/statists. The true liberals in this country died out around 200 years ago, with the last of the founders. A true liberal would be one who is for personal responsiblility above all, one who understands that anyone walking free has all the same rights, no matter what the past holds, one who believes that the government is meant to be small. Very few of these live today, and none in politics. Call them what they are, but not liberal.

Most of the Founders of this nation were what was known as "classic liberals". That term still exists today to denote the same socio-political philosophy but most folks don't recognize or know it.
 

Kevin108

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He only signed the law that contained that (completely unrelated) provision because the main point of the law, a credit card reform measure, was considered more desirable than vetoing the firearms section.

Correct. It was attached to a liberal / big government bill that restricted the rights of a private business to charge their customers what the market would bear for a given service.
 

ldsgeek

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Of course, of course, that's why he signed a Law that included individuals being permitted to carry in Parks.

Again, he only signed the law that contained that (completely unrelated) amendment because he thought the main bill, having to do with credit card and debit card fee reforms (sticking it to the banks) was more important than striking down the park carry amendment. If he could have vetoed the amendment and passed the rest of the law he would have.
 

Aknazer

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So, he signed a law that permitted carry on federal lands/parks. Research it!

Only because he couldn't line-item veto that part of the bill and he wanted the actual bill (and not a rider on the bill) to become law. To sit there and say that because he signed a law that had a 2A rider while the bill itself was about something completely different means he can't be "that" bad is just beyond stupid.
 
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