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    Got my night sights

    I highly recommend this for your carry firearm. Let's be serious if you are in a dark area you will not be able to acquire your Target with normal sights and will not have time to get your tac light out.... Such a must. Final cost was $131.02 with free installation. Only took em 10 minutes.

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    Me too! I got mine installed last week, while I was on an expeditionary outing. I ended up getting the Trijicon GL 24's for my G21. I was going to go for the Ameriglos, but changed my mind. I knew I needed to upgrade my sights, when I tried finding my front sight in the dark, between the garage and the house, and I couldn't see the front at all. I could make out the U frame on the rear sights tho, but, why just change out the fronts? Especially since Glock factory sights are plastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WOD View Post
    Me too! I got mine installed last week, while I was on an expeditionary outing. I ended up getting the Trijicon GL 24's for my G21. I was going to go for the Ameriglos, but changed my mind. I knew I needed to upgrade my sights, when I tried finding my front sight in the dark, between the garage and the house, and I couldn't see the front at all. I could make out the U frame on the rear sights tho, but, why just change out the fronts? Especially since Glock factory sights are plastic.
    He didn't only change the front. He changed both sights.

    Factory sights being plastic doesn't really make them easier to change. BTW - Trijicon are metal.
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    My trp operator came with night sights. I recommend them also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjkruck View Post
    I highly recommend this for your carry firearm. Let's be serious if you are in a dark area you will not be able to acquire your Target with normal sights and will not have time to get your tac light out.... Such a must. Final cost was $131.02 with free installation. Only took em 10 minutes.
    What type of night sights did you get? I'm looking for new ones. The factory Glock ones aren't doing a whole lot for me.
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    I got trijicon for my Springfield XD. I didn't want the fiber optic ones. I got the standard looking style. SP01 is the part number.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjkruck View Post
    Sorry the pictures are not the greatest quality.
    Classic understatement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Classic understatement.
    Gotta admit better than no picture right

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    I'm getting some xs big dot's put on tonight.

    As for a tac light, every night before I lay my head down my light goes on and the extended mag goes in.

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    That was my thought too, on some of the other night sights. Why would I want to have an accessory that needs a battery? Just one more unnecessary expense, and potential failure.

    Grapeshot, I was only speaking for myself, not putting words in the OP's mouth. Sorry if you got that impression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WOD View Post
    That was my thought too, on some of the other night sights. Why would I want to have an accessory that needs a battery? Just one more unnecessary expense, and potential failure..
    my thought is.... Tac light/laser gives away my position. Night sights are for my eyes only not my enemies

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    Quote Originally Posted by 86 slo-vo View Post
    As for a tac light, every night before I lay my head down my light goes on and the extended mag goes in.
    Sounds exactly like what I do.

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    my thought is.... Tac light/laser gives away my position. Night sights are for my eyes only not my enemies
    Yes and no. Night sights only go so far, and really don't provide any visibility of the target.You'll be able to see your sights just fine, but identifying any intruder is a whole other story. A few common drills I've seen for night shooting involve turning your light on, firing off 3 rounds, then switching it off and either taking a few [large] steps to the side, or changing position altogether, and firing off a few more rounds. Repeat until the threat is neutralized. I've yet to practice it, though. I'd imagine that a light like the X5L or TLRs-2 that has the ability to strobe would be even more effective, in that it disorients your attacker. A strong enough light can be a weapon single-handedly by causing temporary blindness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MainelyGlock View Post
    Sounds exactly like what I do.



    Yes and no. Night sights only go so far, and really don't provide any visibility of the target.You'll be able to see your sights just fine, but identifying any intruder is a whole other story. A few common drills I've seen for night shooting involve turning your light on, firing off 3 rounds, then switching it off and either taking a few [large] steps to the side, or changing position altogether, and firing off a few more rounds. Repeat until the threat is neutralized. I've yet to practice it, though. I'd imagine that a light like the X5L or TLRs-2 that has the ability to strobe would be even more effective, in that it disorients your attacker. A strong enough light can be a weapon single-handedly by causing temporary blindness.
    I do carry a streamlight protac 2L for a majority of that reason I just don't know if a situation ever (hopefully not) arises, will I have time to grab my light. Idk I have thought about purchasing a weapons mount tac light but I need more input to justify purchasing it. I do live in an apartment complex and people dont really mess with me due to the fact that I am the caretaker here. The apartment complex across from us is a different story tho...

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    Guys I was looking to get some night sites on my G19 any suggestions? Thanks

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    Here is the xs big dots, not the greatest picture but you get the idea. The center of the dot is tritium.



    Fit and finish is great, I'm really happy with them.

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    Def. considering up-grading my Novak's to their tritium sets, myself. The standard white-dots just dont do it in the levels of darkness I have out here.

    Fiber-optic sights seem to be quiet a "rage" of late, but really are just a gimmick. Unless fiber sights are sitting somewhere that they can gather light for a period of time, prior to use, they dont improve the view of things much, if at all.
    If a sidearm is sitting in a holster, or what-not, you can forget counting on the fiber-optics, at the moment they are needed.
    I put one of the fiber front-sights on my 800 pump, and they were about useless when I'd step outside into the dark, from inside where it had also been dark...

    Still seeking a decent tac-light, but not one that will end up costing more than the pistol itself..something which makes zero sense to me.. And one rugged-enough to actually withstand recoil/muzzle-blast effects. I had one until a few months back-I'll leave out the make, lest any of the fanboys go into a flame-war about it, but I have to say I was rather disgusted, considering what was originally paid for it. The thing simply disintegrated the 1st time I did a night-firing with it mounted.

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    Fiber optic sights do not gather and store light - they do not "glow" from stored light. Rather they channel reasonably good light into a single dot/focus point. The are absolutely useless in a dark environment and in low light it all depends where the light source is in relation to you.

    Fiber optics are great for wing shooting, but would never mount them on my self-defense handgun.

    Learn to point shoot well, extremely well. If I remember correctly the average defensive shooting takes place in 3 sec or less and at a distance of 7 ft or less. Learn to move and shoot, become a difficult target. Investing in such training will have a greater return that all of the new things one might add to their pistol. If you have to stop and think or look for your sights, you are probably already bleeding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmmd321 View Post
    Guys I was looking to get some night sites on my G19 any suggestions? Thanks
    Trijicon

    First set went over 10 years before dimming was noticeable. I got a replacement front.

    Got a G19 and replaced the front only with a Trijicon.

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    My thoughts on night sights are more along the lines of what will the court think. If you can't even see your SIGHTS, how the heck are you gonna know what you're shooting, or what/who is behind them? I'm really not for mounted tac-lights either to be honest, I mean it's like HELLO SHOOTER, guess where I am? Lasers are pretty much the same. I like the flashlight on, shoot, light off, move, on, shoot... etc.

    I'm also hoping I never have to use any of these techniques or equipment in real life situations, but if it does I want to cover my @$$ there AND the next morning when I'm sitting in court.

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    I have used Trijicon night sights for many years. Anyone who carries for self-defense has to ask themselves, "WHEN will a self-defense situation most likely happen to me?". (I say "most likely", because they can happen at ANY time of day.)....but, most likely, it will be at night, or in a low light situation.

    Being able to see your sights is a good thing.

    Argue all you want, but without ILLUMINATED night sights, it is almost impossible to see them in the dark. (As Grape points out: fiber optics are NOT illuminated, they simply focus ambient light. If there is no light = nothing to focus) Add to this the fight-or-flight reaction, adrenaline rush, and pandemonium of a possibly lethal situation and this "almost impossible" becomes pretty much a sure thing. You won't see your sights in a dark alley with someone trying to kill you.

    I have done an extensive amount of low light shooting. (Those of you serious about self-defense have, at least, done a little, right?.....Right? If not...shame.) I'll swear by a good set of (or my preference of one) Tritium sights.

    About ten years ago, I was practicing low light shooting one evening with a flashlight (a Maglight before these nifty little super-bright suckers became mainstream) and it went dim.....then out. Dead batteries. I thought to myself: "If it can happen now, it can happen when I really need it."...so I tried shooting in the dark. I could kind of make out my target, and I could kind of make out my sights...but after the first BANG and the resultant muzzle flash...I wasn't seeing the sights ever again that session. The inevitable lack of groups or reliable hits on the target let me know: You need to be able to see your sights in order to reasonably expect a decent hit.

    So I put some Trijicon sights on.

    WHAT A DIFFERENCE!

    However, I have found (and research has proven my hunch) that the half-life of Tritium is a scosh over 12 years. What does this mean?

    Tritium is a radioactive isotope. This is why it glows in the dark. Brightly. It does this because it gives off radiation. As with all manner of things, there is only so much energy it contains. Tritium GIVES off radiation. It doesn't contain an inexhaustable supply. It will "run out" over time. Since I had installed my Tritium sights about ten years ago, I have noticed that they don't seem as bright as they once did. They seem half as bright as they were when I put them on. Duh! No wonder! I just discovered that the half-life of Tritium is 12.32 years. In another 12 they'll be 50% dimmer than they are now. So, I bought some new ones.

    However, I'll address the question WOD asks:

    Quote Originally Posted by WOD View Post
    , but, why just change out the fronts?

    Why just the fronts? Just my personal preference. Others might prefer a full set.

    The reason I have recently swapped out to a single Tritium front post is for simplicity.

    I removed my rear Tritium night sights and replaced them with non-illuminated adjustables. I replaced the front post with a new Trijicon.

    Why? After years of shooting, I relaized that I was spending an inordinate amount of time focusing on sight picture. "WHAT?", you ask? "He just rants about needing to be able to see your sights, and then talks about spending too much time looking at your sights? This doesn't make sense!"

    Of course it does. The Tritium simply makes it possible to SEE them. It doesn't interpret WHAT you see for your brain. After tons and tons of training, I realize that, in a self-defense situation, the important thing is THE FRONT SIGHT. PUT THE FRONT SIGHT ON THE TARGET AND SQUEEZE. The amount of side-to-side movement is negligable to the amount of up-and-down. If you completely remove one set of sights from your gun entirely, you will be far more accurate without your rear sights than you will be without your front sight.

    At night, with both front and rear tritium sights, I noticed that, when I first picked up my sight picture, it would simply be three green dots. My brain would spend valuable moments trying to analyze, "O.K. Which of these three dots is the front, and which two are the rear?". I'd have to wiggle the gun a little, and the one that moved the most was the front, and the two that stayed the same distance apart were the rear. I'd then have to move the one in between the two that remained the same distance apart. Think about it: if you first picked up your sight picture aiming wide right, AT NIGHT your front sight would be to the right of the two rear dots. It would LOOK like three dots in a row. Good looking sight picture...but wrong. However, in real life, you KNOW it's wrong because it doesn't FEEL right. It FEELS like you're aiming too far to the right.

    Well, if it FEELS wrong, and IS wrong....what the hell do you need rear night sights to tell your eyes that it's RIGHT for?

    In a real self-defense situation, are you really going to take the time to align the three dots, interpret whether they're really aligned correctly, and make adjustments?

    NO.

    I have found that having a SINGLE GREEN DOT to point at my target is much faster and simpler for my mind to grasp, and works much more effectively than not being able to see your sights at all, or having a bunch of green dots to move around and interpret before pulling the trigger.

    One green dot. Put it on the target. Squeeze.

    Simple. Simple = good in an actual self-defense situation.
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    No sight(s) is going to make up for lack of target acquisition - you have to see it to hit it with any amount of reliability. The darker it is or the more the target becomes part of the background (disappears), the more difficult that will be.

    I am a major proponent of point shooting and shooting over sights - neither are undirected fire. They are a skills obtained and maintained by repetition - they must become instinctive reflexes. Let's keep in mind that what we are typically talking about is a distance of 3 to 7 feet, not 50 yards.

    As to only a front sight being visible - not good IMHO if sights are truly needed. Too much chance for error or no sight picture at all. Some solutions are different color and/or size of front sight, also the ATS pyramid is an interesting option.

    My choices are point shooting and a grip activated laser sight. Yes I know the disadvantages of the laser, but my eyes now appreciate that extra bit of help.

    We pay our money and hopefully increase the odds in our favor. It first is about being able to go home at night. One size does not fit all.
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