Permission slip allows you in the zone but not ON school property.
Thread: The GFZ question
I read through Act-35. In it it mentiones GFZ. The one I am un clear about is the 1000ft froom schools. I understand that if I OC I MUST be 1000ft from the ecge of school property in ALL directions. But I am not clear if this applies to CC.
Appreciate your help.
Permission slip allows you in the zone but not ON school property.
To give a more complete answer: If you have a CC license, you can open carry or conceal carry in the GFSZ. If you have no license, you can open carry on private property within a 1000' of school ground. Or if you're on your own property or other land or buildings that you legally reside or occupy (e.g. land, your residence, your place of business) then you can conceal without a license if you choose.
Failure to comply may result in discipline up to and including termination.
The free man is a warrior. - Nietzsche "Twilight of the Idols"
948.605 Gun-free school zones.
(1) Definitions. In this section:
(a) "Encased" has the meaning given in s. 167.31 (1) (b).
(ac) "Firearm" does not include any beebee or pellet-firing gun that expels a projectile through the force of air pressure or any starter pistol.
(am) "Motor vehicle" has the meaning given in s. 340.01 (35).
(b) "School" has the meaning given in s. 948.61 (1) (b).
(c) "School zone" means any of the following:
1. In or on the grounds of a school.
2. Within 1,000 feet from the grounds of a school.
(2) Possession of firearm in school zone.
(a) Any individual who knowingly possesses a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is in or on the grounds of a school is guilty of a Class I felony. Any individual who knowingly possesses a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is within 1,000 feet of the grounds of a school is subject to a Class B forfeiture.
(b) Paragraph (a) does not apply to the possession of a firearm by any of the following:
1m. A person who possesses the firearm in accordance with 18 USC 922 (q) (2) (B) (i), (iv), (v), (vi), or (vii).
1r. Except if the person is in or on the grounds of a school, a licensee, as defined in s. 175.60 (1) (d), or an out-of-state licensee, as defined in s. 175.60 (1) (g).
and if you go to drop your child off at school you may drive onto school grounds , but may not handle the gun , or get out of your car , and the gun should stay concealed
this only applies if your are picking up dropping off or have business on school grounds .
this is all of course provided you have a CCL
unless you don't qualify for one , are admittedly apposed to a CCL for some reason , every one should get one
it is .83 cents a month , yes , it is a tax we shouldn't have to pay , but there are lots of other taxes i shouldn't have to pay either.
you are right that the new law does not change the 1000' rule. However, the federal GFSZ (Gun-Free School Zone) has always had a small phrase in it that allows the state to override the 1000' zone with their permit or license. Because of that, here's how it plays out:
WITH a WI CCL, you can open carry or conceal carry a state-defined weapon within 1000' of a grades 1-12 school.
WithOUT a WI CCL, you cannot open carry or conceal carry a state-defined weapon within 1000' of a grades 1-12 school.
The combination of state and federal laws only addresses 'going armed' and does not specify a mode of carry. Open or concealed is up to you or other licensees who choose to enter the 1000' zone surrounding the school.
A smart person, should not play such a stupid game.
Wis. CCL #5x Springfield XDM 3.8 Compact .40 S&W, Utah CFP
"A person who possesses the firearm in accordance with 18 USC 922 (q) (2) (B) (i), (iv), (v), (vi), or (vii)."
(i) on private property not part of schoolgrounds;
(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved
by a school in the school zone;
(v) by an individual in accordance with a
contract entered into between a school in the
school zone and the individual or an employer
of the individual;
(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in
his or her official capacity; or
(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an
individual while traversing school premises for
the purpose of gaining access to public or private
lands open to hunting, if the entry on
school premises is authorized by school authorities.
Last edited by Plankton; 04-24-2012 at 07:59 AM.
Liberty or death. We're sorry, there are no other options available at this time..........
"Safety is the new Liberty, and recklessness is the new Freedom, and alcoholism is the new Doug Huffman."
Huh? Any private property, not just YOUR private property, you can OC within the 1000' buffer without a CCL. So, if you are at a mall next to a school, you can OC up to the property line, 1 inch from the school property. If you are at a friends house whose backyard is adjacent to a school, you can OC in his yard, if you walk down the street across from a school and stay on the other side of the sidewalk so that you are walking in people's front yards, you may OC (might get charged with trespassing, but not a GFSZ violation).
If you aren't going to take our advice, why are you here asking questions? Is your instructor a lawyer? If not, why are you taking his advice? The only legal advice is from a lawyer that you have a client relationship with.
A good cop having a bad day with you doing EVERYTHING right might get you shot and/or arrested. That can happen even if you don't carry.
I can guarantee you that I really don't plan on getting hassled by the cops but sometimes it happens. We were just having dinner at Culvers in Madison and got hassled. We broke no laws. Brad Krause was planting a tree in his front yard and got arrested. Unfortunately, everyone is a human and we can't guarantee a good outcome. All we can do is be prepared.
Originally Posted by Law abiderAdded that clarification, but basically Auric's answer is the most concise & correct that's been presented so far.Originally Posted by Auric
Federal law doesn't distinguish between the school property & the public property that's within 1000' of the edge of that school property.
Wisconsin law does.
Wisconsin only allows licensees, on-duty LEO, & criminals to be within 1000' on public property,
and only on-duty LEO & criminals on the school grounds. (With the few other exceptions borrowed from Federal law, but how likely do you think it is one of those will be granted?)
In other states (UT being an example) if you have a license issued by the state you can walk into a school armed & it's perfectly legal.
You could also read the laws.Originally Posted by Law abider
Links have been posted above, both to the WI law & the federal code (which is linked from the WI law).
Start with 948.605 (2): Possession of firearm in school zone.
That has a link to 18 USC 922 & lists the exact bits which WI wants to apply to us.
There still are, yes. But I think that thanks to some high-profile cases where WCI kicked butt & took names most LEO will follow the law.I am afraid that there are leos who will do whatever they will to arrest me.
Most do anyway, but there are too many who don't & way too many who stand by & don't stop their co-workers from comitting crimes.