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    OC at O'fallon Starbucks 4/29

    I was wanting to get an OC gathering going at the O'fallon Starbucks at 4581 Highway K O'Fallon, MO 63366 at 5pm on 4/29 . I was seeing if anyone would be interested in range time prior too!

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    I'd probably be down. Not sure I'll be able to afford range time prior, given my recent move/job switch. What range did you have in mind?

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    I'm in for Starbucks. Range time varies with family time.

    I'm going to post it other places. The "maybe" thing always keeps folks in limbo. I'm going and that is how I'llpass it on other sites.
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    Would love to go...but I boycott O'fallon for the smoking ban...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zekester View Post
    Would love to go...but I boycott O'fallon for the smoking ban...
    If given a choice between a firearm and a smoke, I'll take the firearm. You can smoke in public in wildwood, but can't OC. Something I'm once again taking to the City Council tonight 4/23/2012.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zekester View Post
    Would love to go...but I boycott O'fallon for the smoking ban...
    Not a bad position actually. Too few are active within local politics to know and understand the impacts.

    For those of you interested in Zeke's position some interesting thoughts that seriously parallel the gun issues.

    1. Smoking is NOT illegal.
    2. The ban tells property owners that their rights as such are null and void, they may NOT allow smoking within their own property unless they have 0 employees.
    3. No one ever said a property owner could not make his own establishment non-smoking if he/she chose to do so, but they are forced to do so under the ban.

    Unlike some of the other bans that claim not to have hurt business, a lot of business locations are suffering 30 to 50% losses.

    The VA has lost 650 members and outside monies are down 20%.

    More than one bar is defining that they are almost ready to close, even after investing in building covered patio's to accommodate they are still seeing huge losses and wait staff are hurting badly as tips have declined with the business decline.

    There are a LOT of parallels to the government regulation of the other legal activity, firearms. No matter your personal position on smoking, no one forces you to go to a smoking establishment, if there were indeed enough persons bothered by it, they would make business aware and business would respond to it themselves. Since there was not enough call for it, a few enacted a regulation and it has effected a great many in a negative way and many of those effected were nonsmokers.

    It is supposed to be about reduced government and increased freedom, not unlike firearms rights, the government continues to do the opposite. How will O,Fallon handle the increased cost to code enforcement while losing the liquor taxes so many of the impacted business locations used to pay? Damn near a perfect example of what is wrong with the government today really, reduce freedoms for everyone, increase cost, and have no clue how to recover.

    I did not have time to fool with it Zeke, but a similar ban is all over St Charles politicians radar, it is one of those doo gooder feel good while doing nothing things that they feel makes em shine.
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    Wildwood City Council

    Tonight I proposed a change to the Wildwood City Council to amend their firearms laws and change the prohibition to open carry. They didn't exactly jump up and down Rah, Rah. I asked for any City Council member to propose the change. I also invited them to coem to Starbucks with us and see for themselves what open carry means.

    We'll see if any show up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mspgunner View Post
    We'll see if any show up?
    Don't hold your breath.

    LMTD, you're quite right. I think of all the business owners I've talked to, only one hasn't suffered a loss from the smoking ban. And he was planning on being a non-smoking place regardless.

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    LMTD,

    I am aware of the St Charles crap that is going on...luckily alot of the council is against it....but we will see.
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    for the meetup in o' fallon, is there a school within 1000 feet? google maps shows lindenwood, but i doubt lindenwood is in a strip mall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kylemoul View Post
    for the meetup in o' fallon, is there a school within 1000 feet? google maps shows lindenwood, but i doubt lindenwood is in a strip mall.
    Ya know, it honestly never occurred to me, but there is a Lindenwood satellite campus in the strip mall there. I guess that might change things. Anyone know more than I do about it?

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    I am not familiar with that area. If so I will not attend as I do not have a MO permit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kylemoul View Post
    I am not familiar with that area. If so I will not attend as I do not have a MO permit.
    Pretty sure OFallon requires a CCW permit to OC anyway.

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    Yes they do. I have an UT and AZ permit so I am not excluded from the GFSZ Act ********

    But is/are college campus/(satellite office whatever that is) considered elementry or secondary education?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kylemoul View Post
    Yes they do. I have an UT and AZ permit so I am not excluded from the GFSZ Act ********

    But is/are college campus/(satellite office whatever that is) considered elementry or secondary education?
    As I understand it, no they are not. However, neither am I a lawyer. I'd try talking to one before you do anything.

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    What is a satelitte office anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oramac View Post
    As I understand it, no they are not. However, neither am I a lawyer. I'd try talking to one before you do anything.
    Ditto, the grade/high school thing is clear, but the college/private/public funded/federal loans/ etc debate goes on for ever and ever, just like the anti's want it. They can pretend not to have done it but leave it so vague it requires a court case to be sure.

    Myself, college is not a big deal, only grade-high school get my attention, but as Ormac I ain't a lawyer either and I figure it can be argued either way. The best part about the GFSZA is it has been used primarily as an "adder charge" meaning I have yet to cross a case it was used alone, some other law was broken and it just added onto it.

    It is also a federal charge, meaning it would not likely be in some muni-cop thought or the prosecutor etc since it would get yanked from them anyway.

    each has to make that call themselves or contact an atty.
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    Elementry part is clear to me...secondary education, well ****, sho knows if that means highschool or college or both.


    may not make it on this one guys sorry! maybe next time.
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    Couldn't make this one. We had tickets to the Cards game. At least it didn't rain on us.

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    OMG haven't you people read the other thread on here about 1 man OC and was the cause of OC being killed this session and then you all just out and OC some more. How in hell will MO ever get pre-emption if everyone in the state just keeps OC all the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9026543 View Post
    OMG haven't you people read the other thread on here about 1 man OC and was the cause of OC being killed this session and then you all just out and OC some more. How in hell will MO ever get pre-emption if everyone in the state just keeps OC all the time?

    Every part of this post makes no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9026543 View Post
    OMG haven't you people read the other thread on here about 1 man OC and was the cause of OC being killed this session and then you all just out and OC some more. How in hell will MO ever get pre-emption if everyone in the state just keeps OC all the time?
    You seem to misunderstand things on here, Mo. is an OC legal state meaning it IS legal to OC. Yes some municipalities are trying to ban it and a few already have banned it, but it is still legal everywhere else in this state. What you are saying is we should just give up and that is not what this site is about, its about standing up and fighting for our 2a rights! I open carry everyday, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kylemoul View Post
    Every part of this post makes no sense.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdmcompact View Post
    You seem to misunderstand things on here, Mo. is an OC legal state meaning it IS legal to OC. Yes some municipalities are trying to ban it and a few already have banned it, but it is still legal everywhere else in this state. What you are saying is we should just give up and that is not what this site is about, its about standing up and fighting for our 2a rights! I open carry everyday, do you?
    Yes I do open carry everday in my little area of the state and am never bothered.

    My previous post was ment to be scarasm to another thread where 1 person OC in Washington was being blamed for state wide OC being pre-empted getting killed. The poster seemed to think that anyone OC should check with him before they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9026543 View Post
    Yes I do open carry everday in my little area of the state and am never bothered.

    My previous post was ment to be scarasm to another thread where 1 person OC in Washington was being blamed for state wide OC being pre-empted getting killed. The poster seemed to think that anyone OC should check with him before they did.
    Marc never said anyone needed to check with him before OC'ing, what he did do was ask Vincent to calm down on his attention seeking until after the session was over that's it. Unfortunately too many Municipalities feel the need to trample on our right's and the state is allowing that. We will never get anywhere if we keep attacking the ones that work the hardest to protect our rights. I do not have the time or money to be able to put in even 10% of the work that Marc and others have done for OUR rights, so these guys that are fighting for MY rights deserve every ounce of appreciation I can give them. Time to come together and stop the crying and the fighting and get our rights back!

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