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    Police Officer Fires Gun In Wal-Mart Parking Lot

    http://www.wcyb.com/news/30936538/detail.html

    Police Officer Fires Gun In Wal-Mart Parking Lot

    Lebanon, VA Officer Chases Suspect
    POSTED: 6:59 am EDT April 22, 2012

    RUSSELL CO., Va. -- A police officer fires his gun in a Wal-Mart parking lot while trying to stop a fleeing fugitive.

    News Five spoke with Lebanon Police Chief Mark Mitchell.

    Chief Mitchell tells us the incident happened while officers were responding to a call about a person slumped over the wheel of their car in the Wal-Mart parking lot.

    We're told the officer was talking with the suspect, Brian Nunley when he apparently sped away.

    Chief Mitchell says that's when the officer fired his gun, hitting Nunley's tire.

    Police were able to catch up with the suspect less than two miles down the road, when Nunley crashed his car.

    Officers are still investigating.

    We're told several charges are pending.

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    This smells much like the Patricia Cook Culpeper shooting.... an officer shooting at a vehicle leaving an area, with no outward signs the individual was a direct threat to the officer or anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    This smells much like the Patricia Cook Culpeper shooting.... an officer shooting at a vehicle leaving an area, with no outward signs the individual was a direct threat to the officer or anyone else.
    Atleast he didn't empty his mag into the driver and just shot the tire through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    This smells much like the Patricia Cook Culpeper shooting.... an officer shooting at a vehicle leaving an area, with no outward signs the individual was a direct threat to the officer or anyone else.
    At least he was shooting at the tire.
    What surprises me is that they have a Walmart in Russell county. That's truly Gods Country!

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    At least he was shooting at the tire.
    <snip>
    Or just a poor shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    At least he was shooting at the tire.
    He hit the tire. No telling where he was aiming

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911 Enthusiast View Post
    Or just a poor shot.
    There aren't any poor shots in Russell!
    Baby shower gifts usually include a case of 22LR's to tide the kid over until he can walk and carry a real gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roscoe13 View Post
    He hit the tire. No telling where he was aiming

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    My thoughts exactly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    My thoughts exactly!
    Just to give an idea....my Great, Great to the 10 power uncle Abraham, shot a bear from his front porch in Solomons Hollow. It took 6 weeks to hike to it before they could pack it out! He said he shot it between the eyes because he wasn't sure he could hit the left one as the wind in Kentucky was different than it was on his porch.

    Just saying,,,,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Just to give an idea....my Great, Great to the 10 power uncle Abraham, shot a bear from his front porch in Solomons Hollow. It took 6 weeks to hike to it before they could pack it out! He said he shot it between the eyes because he wasn't sure he could hit the left one as the wind in Kentucky was different than it was on his porch.

    Just saying,,,,,
    So... do you know 'for sure' that the officer is a local, with those kind of shooting skills?

    I'd also be curious to know if the department has a policy on when an officer can fire their weapon... and if all those conditions were met in this circumstance. I'd be willing to be, not.

    Just sayin'.... lol

    Edit: minor spellin fix
    Last edited by Blk97F150; 04-23-2012 at 12:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    He said he shot it between the eyes because he wasn't sure he could hit the left one as the wind in Kentucky was different than it was on his porch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    So... do you know 'for sure' that the officer is a local, with those kind of shooting skills?



    Just sayin'.... lol

    Edit: minor spellin fix
    Last time I was there, immigrants that stayed more than 3 days were given a pair of Nike's, a bible and a 15 minute head start.
    Last edited by peter nap; 04-23-2012 at 12:49 PM.

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    I can not believe that it's departmental policy to shoot at anything in a public place that does not involve a fleeing felon and even then with great care. Here, it appears the officer just fired because he was too fat to give foot chase or too slow to realize he could get the license plate (which I would HOPE he'd do at the initial encounter before questioning anyone) and have the guy picked up later.

    I hope they put him on desk duty and make him take a test on policy. Oh, and give him a Barney Fife (one bullet which he keeps in his shirt pocket).
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Last time I was there, immigrants that stayed more than 3 days were given a pair of Nike's, a bible and a 15 minute head start.
    Too funny...

    I think I want to move there now!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Last time I was there, immigrants that stayed more than 3 days were given a pair of Nike's, a bible and a 15 minute head start.
    Immigrants = persons whose local linage and cabin does not go back at least 75 years. Others are usually gone before sunset the first day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sawah View Post
    I can not believe that it's departmental policy to shoot at anything in a public place that does not involve a fleeing felon and even then with great care. Here, it appears the officer just fired because he was too fat to give foot chase or too slow to realize he could get the license plate (which I would HOPE he'd do at the initial encounter before questioning anyone) and have the guy picked up later.

    I hope they put him on desk duty and make him take a test on policy. Oh, and give him a Barney Fife (one bullet which he keeps in his shirt pocket).
    Don't know.... but I just sent them a FOIA request on what their official policy is regarding officers discharging a weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    At least he was shooting at the tire.....
    That's his story and he is gunna stick to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocWalker View Post
    Atleast he didn't empty his mag into the driver and just shot the tire through.
    No one's accusing the cops of having good aim :P

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFWnQJBqhJw

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    trying to stop a fleeing fugitive...
    officers were responding to a call about a person slumped over the wheel of their car in the Wal-Mart parking lot.
    ...the officer was talking with the suspect, Brian Nunley when he apparently sped away...
    We're told several charges are pending.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150
    an officer shooting at a vehicle leaving an area, with no outward signs the individual was a direct threat to the officer or anyone else.
    I'm sure the news isn't giving the whole story.
    What did the (sleepy? ill?) driver do to become a "suspect"?
    Not wanting to talk with police isn't a crime, & certainly isn't reason for using deadly force.
    And what was behind the car? What if the bullet had missed, skipped on the blacktop?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    I'm sure the news isn't giving the whole story.
    What did the (sleepy? ill?) driver do to become a "suspect"?
    Not wanting to talk with police isn't a crime, & certainly isn't reason for using deadly force.
    And what was behind the car? What if the bullet had missed, skipped on the blacktop?
    Good questions.... unfortunately I don't know the answers. Maybe after they respond to my FOIA regarding department policy I'll ask them your questions too.

    Edit: Btw, I haven't kept current with your situation.... but I hope thats all working out for the best for you.
    Last edited by Blk97F150; 04-23-2012 at 03:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    Good questions.... unfortunately I don't know the answers. Maybe after they respond to my FOIA regarding department policy I'll ask them your questions too.

    Edit: Btw, I haven't kept current with your situation.... but I hope thats all working out for the best for you.
    You're probably not going to get the policy BLK. They usually use the Security exemption. I'm going to try FOIA'ing the index pages sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    You're probably not going to get the policy BLK. They usually use the Security exemption. I'm going to try FOIA'ing the index pages sometime.
    I know. Truthfully I don't expect them to give it to me, I fully expect excuses and 'run around'..... but I wanted to ask anyway, and make them wonder 'who is this guy and why does he want this information?'.... LOL!

    Although, the Culpeper police department did release their deadly force policy after the Patricia Cook shooting (not to me.. but a news organization got a hold of it)... so all hope isn't lost.

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    What surprises me is that they have a Walmart in Russell county. That's truly Gods Country![/QUOTE]

    Believe it or not, ther is one in Buchanan County too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    Don't know.... but I just sent them a FOIA request on what their official policy is regarding officers discharging a weapon.
    Please do post the reply(ies), including any evasions or violations of the FOI statute.

    Discharging a handgun like that is lethal force. One might initially think that discharging at a tire is not lethal force, but what if the shot missed and ricocheted into a shopper or someone sitting in a car? People have been killed by such ricochets.

    Unless an exception from Tennessee vs Garner applied--for example a fleeing felon dangerous to the community--then I can see no justification for shooting a tire. And, the same logic about warning shots can be applied: if the driver was a fleeing felon dangerous to the community, why was the cop taking a chance shooting a tire instead of shooting the driver? A felon who could escape up the road, jump out on foot, and run into a house to seize a hostage, etc.?

    Love the stories about the wind in Kentucky and the 15 minutes head start.
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    My two cents!

    First off, the facts of the incident are without any real detail. If the person wasn't being detained in anyway, he would have been well within his rights to drive off.

    Secondly,what exactly was this man suspect of? (Being dead and slouched over in a car? sounds dangerous!) If he was truely was about to be detained for whatever reason, I would have little problem with a police officer exercising descretion with shooting his tires to prevent a life endangering pursuit.(This may be assuming too much on my part, but as long as there is no innocent bystanders(not likely in a walmart parking lot) I think its a good move.) Again, not likely in this case.

    The officer better of had something on him other than, " I was trying to talk to him, and he just drove off."
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