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    Smile New to the N. Chesterfield area

    Hi folks!

    I'm new to the N. Chesterfield area in a temporary (hopefully permanent) residence.

    I'm originally from NYC (46) years and spent the last 5 years as a resident of northwestern PA.

    Right now, I'm still a PA resident and hold a valid PA LTCF which I know is good here in VA.

    I open carry as well as conceal carry, it all depends on my mood and circumstances. I've got a couple of handguns as well as a 12 gauge shotgun (I love trap) and a smoking AR-15.

    Does anyone know if I can shoot here in VA with a valid PA license. I'd like to get to a range, maybe even become a member locally (providing I like the range) using my PA license for right now. I intend to get a VA non (as soon as I get back up to my PA house for my certificate) as well as a FL or UT.

    I look forward to making some new friends here in VA, 2A friendly of course!

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    Welcome aboard.

    Ranges do not ask if you have a permit. No permit is required to OC in VA, not even in a vehicle or a restaurant.

    Excellent short thread w/attachments on overview of VA gun laws.
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...n-Cards-STICKY

    Take the time to sign up for the free email Va-Alert - good method to stay current on laws and what is happening throughout the state.

    Consider too joining VCDL - best small investment in freedom and the RKBA you'll ever make.

    We have an OC dinner on the 2nd Tuesday of each month and an OC breakfast (smaller group normally) each Saturday - check them out, look for stickies.
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    Thank you for the info and the heads up about the stickies.

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    That was a refreshing first post Michele. Welcome to Virginia!
    Grapeshot already covered everything else.

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    Another "Welcome" to OCDO, as well as to North Chesterfield (how come none of the Post Offices are labled as such?) and Virginia. Hope you end up a permanent resident.

    As has already been mentioned, you do not need a permit to shoot at any range. Some require NRA membership in order to become a member of the range - that's about the only requirement I can think of.

    I am not sure if the State Police will agree with your contention that you are not a VA resident, unless you are here on military orders. If you have been here 60 days you must get a VA DL. They will probably use that to insist you get a resident CHP if you decide to get one from VA. But as you have noted, your PA LTCF is good here - and there is no need to have one in any city if you are OCing. (Take that, Philly!)
    http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/ci...ligibility.asp

    New ResidentsWithin 60 days of moving here, you must obtain a Virginia driver's license. However, if you hold a commercial driver's license (CDL), you must obtain a Virginia CDL within 30 days.
    On the other hand, the State Board of Elections consideres you a resident as soon as you get here, unless you plan on voting in another state. http://www.sbe.virginia.gov/cms/Vote...ote/Index.html It's just part of the sweet smell of (relative) freedom we enjoy.

    If I may be so bold as to ask - what happened after 46 years in NYC to change you into not only a gun owner but an OCer?

    stay safe.
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    Welcome, Michele.

    We may run across each other sometime as you are in my neck of the woods.

    OT query: If you only rent your abode, have only a PO box, and travel around in your mobile home, do you have to be a resident of any state? Thinkin property taxes and income taxes here.

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    Welcome, Michele.

    We do the training for Virginia, Utah, and Florida permits. Please let me know if I can assist you with any training needs that you may have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michele View Post
    --snip-- I intend to get a VA non (as soon as I get back up to my PA house for my certificate) as well as a FL or UT.

    I look forward to making some new friends here in VA, 2A friendly of course!
    It would be cheaper (half the price) and less involved to just get your VA permit - your certificate should not be required in either instance. Your state approved ID (think DMV) would need to be relevant.
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...0+cod+18.2-308
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    Quote Originally Posted by riverrat10k View Post
    Welcome, Michele.

    We may run across each other sometime as you are in my neck of the woods.

    OT query: If you only rent your abode, have only a PO box, and travel around in your mobile home, do you have to be a resident of any state? Thinkin property taxes and income taxes here.
    The mobile home will have tags from somewhere RR.
    They are the one's that will get you for PP taxes.

    The state where the income is earned will want their pound of flesh. I had n employee that tried that and his last state of employment placed a lien his paycheck here. It's hard to get around the blood sucking SOB's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    The mobile home will have tags from somewhere RR.
    They are the one's that will get you for PP taxes.

    The state where the income is earned will want their pound of flesh. I had n employee that tried that and his last state of employment placed a lien his paycheck here. It's hard to get around the blood sucking SOB's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    The mobile home will have tags from somewhere RR.
    They are the one's that will get you for PP taxes.

    The state where the income is earned will want their pound of flesh. I had n employee that tried that and his last state of employment placed a lien his paycheck here. It's hard to get around the blood sucking SOB's.
    Friends of mine retired, sold their house, bought an RV and now live on the road, stopping for a few days at a time at RV campgrounds. They recently found themselves back in this area for a few days and I asked him about this very thing.

    He said that South Dakota is RV friendly, to the point that they encourage full time RV'ers to set up legal residency there, most often using one of many mail forwarding services as their physical address. It's really just a small office or even a house with a big box or wall full of tacked up envelopes to receive the mail that comes in for them there. Every few days or weeks, the owners of each envelope calls or e-mails an address where they can forward the current mail to.

    Apparently South Dakota has no income tax, and very low taxes otherwise as well.

    I suppose it must be legal, or it wouldn't be an industry there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Friends of mine retired, sold their house, bought an RV and now live on the road, stopping for a few days at a time at RV campgrounds. They recently found themselves back in this area for a few days and I asked him about this very thing.

    He said that South Dakota is RV friendly, to the point that they encourage full time RV'ers to set up legal residency there, most often using one of many mail forwarding services as their physical address. It's really just a small office or even a house with a big box or wall full of tacked up envelopes to receive the mail that comes in for them there. Every few days or weeks, the owners of each envelope calls or e-mails an address where they can forward the current mail to.

    Apparently South Dakota has no income tax, and very low taxes otherwise as well.

    I suppose it must be legal, or it wouldn't be an industry there.

    TFred
    That's interesting information TFred...
    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    --snip--
    Apparently South Dakota has no income tax, and very low taxes otherwise as well.

    I suppose it must be legal, or it wouldn't be an industry there.

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    Thanks guys!
    Now, back on topic.

    Welcome to the area, again, Michele!

    If you wish, you may post your daily experiences on the Open Carry in Richmond thread here in the Virginia forum. Let us know where you carry.
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    I'm going to try and answer all the questions without having to quote everyone.

    My dream was for greener pastures I always liked Pennsylvania, its beauty and its freedoms. I left a bad marriage and decided that Pennsylvania was the place for me. I saved my money, got a small divorce settlement and bought my house. After living there for 5 years I decided that snow relocation was a full time job and not something I wanted to pursue as a career choice. I do like snow however, living in the Pennsylvania snow belt is a whole different world. Now that I'm getting older, weather has become a factor. I'm pretty pleased with the weather here in freedom filled Virginia. My German Shepherd misses the snow however, having an acre and a half completely fenced in for him is a pretty good trade I think.

    I've taken a year lease here in N. Chesterfield to give myself some time to see if Virginia is the place I would like to reside in permanently. So far, so good.

    I was a little apprehensive about giving up my Pennsylvania residency. The thought of changing everything over gives me a big headache. Besides, I like that Pennsylvania has only one license plate allowing me have a front vanity plate of our "Stars and Bars" with "MOLON LABE" (in semi-Greek) written in gold across it.

    I'm aware of the 60 day residency issue. I'm only a renter here in Virginia, I'm an owner in Pennsylvania. So I'm still on the fence on what I want to do. I shouldn't be forced to "pick a resident state". I am a law abiding American citizen (natural born) and that should be good enough. I'm funny about certain things. I'm especially funny about the government monitoring my whereabouts or telling me I need to choose a residence. I'm paying my own bills, not asking for government/state aid or a handout so who's business is it where I hang my hat and for how long. And what if I decide to stay past my 60 days without reporting myself? Are they going to kick me out of the state?

    Pennsylvania does not require any type of class or range time to get your LTCF (license to carry firearms), its a shall issue state. I did for my own, take a class in 2008 with my son. My certificate is at my home in Pennsylvania so I asked the institute to send me a copy here. It finally came just today. Now, I'm going to apply for my Virginia non. Along with that, I'm going to investigate the Utah and Florida. I was told that the Utah is a better deal when renewing and doesn't require getting fingerprinted again on renewal. My question was; if I am a Pennsylvania resident can I take the Utah or Florida here in Virginia rather than going back up to Pennsylvania?

    I haven't had any major issues open carrying here in Virginia. I did have a minor encounter with a statie in Wawa. I went to grab a cup of coffee (I have a very severe addiction to Wawa coffee) and went up to the line. When I got to the register, the perky young lady asked me if there would be anything else. My reply "yeah, 2 packs of Marlboro Blue 100's please". Now, remember, I'm originally from NYC, and my speech is Brooklynese at its purest. In my right ear, quietly the statie says "I'm going to have to see your license for that firearm". My reply "sure, lets step outside". I didn't want to attract attention in the Wawa. We step outside and I walk to my car. He gazes down at my front plate but says nothing. I go into my wallet and hand him my LTCF. His eyes widen and he says "this is Pennsylvania" to which I reply, "yup, I'm from Pennsylvania". He apologizes for detaining me, using the excuse that my speech pattern was NYC and how much trouble the mayor of NYC is giving the gun states. He stated that I was good here and I should enjoy my stay in Virginia. I wished him a good safe day. As we parted, he tipped his hat which I thought was ultra classy, and gave me a MOLON LABE. All in all a good encounter.

    I'm thinking, right now, I'll continue to open carry my revolver. I don't want to attract attention by carrying my XD. Oh, let me enlighten you, I'm Michele, proud owner of Pennsylvania's famous PINK XD.

    I'll be watching the stickies for the breakfasts and dinners. I look forward to mixing with 2A folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michele View Post
    I haven't had any major issues open carrying here in Virginia. I did have a minor encounter with a statie in Wawa. I went to grab a cup of coffee (I have a very severe addiction to Wawa coffee) and went up to the line. When I got to the register, the perky young lady asked me if there would be anything else. My reply "yeah, 2 packs of Marlboro Blue 100's please". Now, remember, I'm originally from NYC, and my speech is Brooklynese at its purest. In my right ear, quietly the statie says "I'm going to have to see your license for that firearm". My reply "sure, lets step outside". I didn't want to attract attention in the Wawa. We step outside and I walk to my car. He gazes down at my front plate but says nothing. I go into my wallet and hand him my LTCF. His eyes widen and he says "this is Pennsylvania" to which I reply, "yup, I'm from Pennsylvania". He apologizes for detaining me, using the excuse that my speech pattern was NYC and how much trouble the mayor of NYC is giving the gun states. He stated that I was good here and I should enjoy my stay in Virginia. I wished him a good safe day. As we parted, he tipped his hat which I thought was ultra classy, and gave me a MOLON LABE. All in all a good encounter.
    Are you saying you were razzed because the VSP officer thought you were from New York?

    The proper response to "I'm going to have to see your license for that firearm," when you are openly carrying would be "What license would you be referring to, officer?"

    TFred

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    All in all your VSP encounter went well enough, but the officer was fishing. Requesting to see a permit was done under color of law - my response would have been a polite "No thank you."

    The May OC dinner post is up - looking forward to maybe seeing you there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Are you saying you were razzed because the VSP officer thought you were from New York?

    The proper response to "I'm going to have to see your license for that firearm," when you are openly carrying would be "What license would you be referring to, officer?"

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    I'm aware of the "none of your business" law here in Virginia regarding open carry.

    I'm sure I was being profiled because of my speech. Ordinarily I would have been insulted with anyone asking for "my papers" however, given the current situation with the dictator of NYC going hog wild targeting the 2A friendly states with his poison, I understood the officers position. He was respectful, and I responded in kind.

    Now, the woman at the airport Wawa asking me for ID for a couple of packs of cigarettes.....that was a whole different story! I refused to have my ID scanned. Its none of anyone's business how much I smoke! Unfortunately, there, I turned on the NYC charm!

    I was also asked by a little snot (I have milk and bread older than her) at the Hundred Road Wawa for ID when buying cigarettes. I laughed at her! The manager turns around to her and says "little girl, don't be ridiculous". Now she gives me free coffee.

    Yeah, I'm over 18, like 32 1/2 years over 18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michele View Post
    I'm aware of the "none of your business" law here in Virginia regarding open carry.

    I'm sure I was being profiled because of my speech. Ordinarily I would have been insulted with anyone asking for "my papers" however, given the current situation with the dictator of NYC going hog wild targeting the 2A friendly states with his poison, I understood the officers position. He was respectful, and I responded in kind.

    Now, the woman at the airport Wawa asking me for ID for a couple of packs of cigarettes.....that was a whole different story! I refused to have my ID scanned. Its none of anyone's business how much I smoke! Unfortunately, there, I turned on the NYC charm!

    I was also asked by a little snot (I have milk and bread older than her) at the Hundred Road Wawa for ID when buying cigarettes. I laughed at her! The manager turns around to her and says "little girl, don't be ridiculous". Now she gives me free coffee.

    Yeah, I'm over 18, like 32 1/2 years over 18.
    You will fit right in, we have a few other young- uns in the group.
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    Yet another welcome

    Welcome to "South of the James by Invitation Only", North Chesterfield. Having escaped here from NOVA I found it much friendlier than "the trendy and fashionable West End".

    As to snow, we have a 7 year cycle. Most years there is a bit of snow, but every 7 years we get dumped on. Just remember, the crews do not have the equipment PA does for clearing roads when it does snow and most people can't drive in it. They think because they have an SUV (or a SMV) that they can just keep going 70 mph. They seem to forget about stopping.

    Other than that, this area is just about perfect. No traffic to speak of, plenty of restaurantes and cheap ciggs. Anything else you might want is only 2 hours away, mountains west, ocean east and museums and fine arts north.

    Stop by for the weekly breakfast or the monthly dinner. Good food and good conversations. ;>)

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    Thanks for the life story. I'm convinced at we need to do everything we can to get you to agree to stay here.

    And to set the record straight, central Virginia has one of the best snow removal programs in the world - it's called the month of May! (Actually, one of the former mayors of Richmond, who then went on to mess up the Governor's office, said that.)

    Your encounter with the VSP must not have involved any finger pointing. (It's a long story that also involved a conversation about my gun's "paperwork". If you are really interested, search for "Surry".)

    Hope to meet you at one of the gatherings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michele View Post
    I was told that the Utah is a better deal when renewing and doesn't require getting fingerprinted again on renewal. My question was; if I am a Pennsylvania resident can I take the Utah or Florida here in Virginia rather than going back up to Pennsylvania?

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    Utah is a better deal upon renewals and does not require prints after the initial submission.....correct.

    You can take the class here, no matter what your residency is. You do not have to go back to Pa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post
    Utah is a better deal upon renewals and does not require prints after the initial submission.....correct.

    You can take the class here, no matter what your residency is. You do not have to go back to Pa.
    Proshooter is our resident "Go To" training company. (He's also from up Nawth)

    If you come to the monthly dinner you could meet him....except this month it's at a BarBQ place on the Southside...and he hates BarB Q. Just a character flaw I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    If you come to the monthly dinner you could meet him....except this month it's at a BarBQ place on the Southside...and he hates BarB Q. Just a character flaw I guess
    Someone's got to carry the banner....guess its my turn this month.
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