Bank of America is a possible Anti-Gun bank

Gil223 said:

BoA is unquestionably anti-gun! Perhaps those of us who deal with banks should become anti-BoA, and close our accounts, insuring that the bank manager knows why...
[video]http://www.2ndamendmenttv.com/videos/attacks-on-our-rights-1/bank-of-america-to-firearms-manufacturer-we-dont-want-your-business.html[/video]

We may not be able to bring BoA down, but we may succeed in making them rethink their anti-gun position. Pax...

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Redbaron007 said:

Interesting.....my local BoA is gun friendly or was last time I was in there.

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Gil223 said:

Apparently this was a decision made at the highest level of BoA against McMillan Stocks only because in the last 5 years they had the audacity to begin building complete weapon systems. It's a discriminatory anti-gun action, based upon the type of manufacturing. McMillan had been with BoA for 12 years. Perhaps it hasn't filtered down to the lower echelon yet, or maybe it isn't intended to be applied company wide (according to the interview, BoA did not want the shooting public to know about it). It could be that they only want to discriminate against firearm manufacturers. Pax...

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Redbaron007 said:

Remember, we only have McMillan's side of the story. BOA has publicly, in general, denied his allegations.....however, they are unable to comment publicly specifically. Therefore, until the other side has been told (it won't be because of privacy issues) McMillan has to be taken with a grain of salt. I'm sure there is more to this saga on both sides...the question is..."what is it?".

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Gil223 said:

BoA's lack of forthrightness inclines me toward believing McMillan's account. However, until BoA has provided the background supporting their action, we are only able to speculate. (Kelly McMillan's response to BoA's action is that McMillan Groups International will "no longer be accepting BoA credit cards as payment" for their products.)

Although I was able to access the BoA Organizational Structure Chart, I did not become a "member" and therefore was unable to access any information about their executives. However, for being a "Senior VP", I found it interesting that Mr. Ray Fox is so far down the corporate food chain that his name does not appear on the chart. (Perhaps this is so the uppermost echelon of executives has several degrees of insulation from "the trenches", and the accompanying deniability such separation would provide?) BoA, as do many large corporations, probably has almost as many "Senior VP's" as they have clerical staff. These appear to be impressively titled - but relatively innocuous - "enforcers", who are assigned the distasteful tasks to which the "big boys" wish to have no traceable connection. (Could the title be a reward for not having taken any sick days for one complete fiscal year? ) Just throwing this out there for your consideration. Business politics isn't that different from political politics... and every bit as cut-throat. (JMO)Pax...

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Redbaron007 said:

Taking sides with McMillan is your choice. I would be willing to bet McMillan hasn't provided the full story; he won't.

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Redbaron007 said:

As for them not accepting BOA cards, the only way they would know is if you paid in person. They have no idea who pays with what online or over the phone; just VISA, MASTERCARD, AMEX, DISCOVER. McMillan's comment about this shows his desire to slander BoA.

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Gil223 said:

I'm not "taking sides", as I have no dog in this fight. As I said, "I'm inclined" to believe McMillan. But, the fat lady ain't sung yet...



From the ABA: "The first six digits of the credit card number (including the initial MII digit) are known as the Issuer Identification Number (IIN). These identify the institution that issued the card to the card holder. Each processor has one or more IINs, which it divides into plans by using Group Number and Processor Control Number fields. The IIN database and membership is managed by the American Bankers Association (ABA) and is updated monthly. The ABA is responsible for allocating IIN ranges to the issuing networks." It appears that the issuing bank can be identified, but it would not be an easy task for anybody unfamiliar with the process, or lacking complete dedication to the task. Pax...

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Redbaron007 said:

Is it possible? yes, probable? No. The ABA would have to release those sequential numbers for them to try and make that determination. So, back to my point, they won't know.

In addition, refusing it may violate their contract with the card issuer, ie Visa/MC/Disc/Amex. If they take Visa, they can't reject certain bank's card, it's not like a check. So, once again, McMillan is blowing hot air; which makes me wonder what he isnt saying.

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