Reply With QuoteLooks like they are just voiding all of the existing agreements. Is somebody from NJ, NY running the show now???
NEW MEXICO NOW HAS RECIPROCITY WITH FOUR STATES! MO, NE, NC, ND and OK.
Tell you what. Hit the link at the bottom and see just how many states NM thinks are "substantially similar" to NM.
Let me help you to save you some trouble.
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi:
Montana
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New York
Ohio
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming
None of which are 'substantially similar'. New Mexico is probably next if he gets his way.
http://www.dps.nm.org/index.php/nm-c...ty-agreements/
Again, we are working on this issue but calls to Gov. Martinez and the DPS CCU may help answer some of your questions.
Steve Aikens
Looks like they are just voiding all of the existing agreements. Is somebody from NJ, NY running the show now???
States don’t have rights. People do.
WOW
Hi Steve. Thanks. I have contacted the Governor by e-mail, which I am sure she never sees, and Bill Hubbard, the Director of the CCW Division. Is there someone over Hubbard we all can call and/or write to? Talking to Hubbard did no good at all. In fact he was quite nasty about it. Can you supply a mailing address and names and phone numbers of those we should write to? I'll sure write, and I am sure many others will too. NM will loose a lot of tourist money as a result of all this! Bob.Originally Posted by steveaikens
New Mexico allows non state residents to open carry, correct? Why the hate for CC? Seems backwards.
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If you contact the Gov. through the site, it won't go directly to her. However, it will get to her aides, which in turn will get it passed on. As we all know, the Gov. can't sit and read every email or she wouldn't be able to do anything else. The point is, you can get information to her through her aides. As to losing tourist money - the reality of that is this will have very little impact - if at all - on the tourist trade in NM. Certainly it will affect some but most that consider coming to NM are going to do so regardless of the firearms laws here.
The person over Dir Hubbard is Cabinet Secretary Eden. I do not have an email address for him. Best I can do is give you a link to the DPS contact page: http://www.dps.nm.org/index.php/contact/
This is one of the worst cases of job justification I have ever seen.
What was once an excellent license to have with strong acceptance throughout the country will now turn to almost worthless crap outside of this state. People are definitely turned off by this according to initial reactions on other forums.
Now we are safe from the mayhem caused here by all those cc'ers from other states who don't have our "extensive" training. Oh wait, that has never occurred. So this is not based on actual happenings in the real world.
Now we will be unable to go to other states and protect ourselves while away from home, unless we take extensive other means to do so. IE- get other state licenses that are accepted in places we wish to visit.
Way to go, COMRADE Hubbard. Way to go.
Now that you folks know what New Mexico accepts, does anyone now know who accepts NM with all these changes? I have an e-mail into Gary, one of the admins at handgunlaw.us - I'm waiting to hear back from him, hopefully sometime this weekend. I have no idea how to get in touch with usacarry.com so they can update their maps.
Roy
Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, and Oklahoma are the only states NM honors as of now
Thanks for the response castiel, but what states now honor NM?
Thanks Steve. Do you know who can open carry in NM? Can legal or illegal non-citizens OC. I am just curious. If they do that would seem to violate their not issuing CCW's to them or using it as a reason for cancellation of reciprocity with states that issue to legal non-citizens. Regards, Bob.
Last edited by BobF; 04-28-2012 at 11:56 AM.
That's a strong "maybe". Aides to politicians have a long and checkered history of not doing that (see "principal-agent problem"). If the aide doesn't personally like your views, their boss likely won't see what you write. It's a big reason for a politician having a skewed view of the world: they don't see a true picture because their information has been filtered by others.
Aides are there to do just that, aid their boss. The aide has been told what issues the boss wants to hear about and what issues the boss thinks are important and they watch for those things. They also watch for other issues that cause an unusual increase in messages. In that case, the aide will mention that to the boss and get additional instructions. Occasionally , an aide will misread the bosses instructions and miss an important issue. That is when the aide starts looking for other employment. I also helps if you can make the boss look good while doing all of this.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
William Pitt
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams
Good news! TN recognizes ALL other permits, so you're still welcome here
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Well, as my first post here, let me say that this is totally NOT acceptable . . I bet there will be a raised roof at the round house about this. All of us New Mexicans need to e-mail ALL our reps, fax them, phone them, etc and let them know this is crap and NOT acceptable. I find it hard to believe that ALL those states have less going for them with permit requirements than we here in New Mexico do . . I just thought I lived in a bananna republic, guess there are more states with lesser requirements, that is pittiful to say the least . .
CD
Government being immobilized and prevented from its multitudinous iniquities is a bad thing?
I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. (Because that is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--for each other and everybody else--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves. Which is just another way of saying that when you obtain rights for the other guy, you win them for yourself, too.)
Don't worry, NM will drop MO if the current omnibus firearms bill is signed. It commits the atrocity of letting active military under 21 years old get their CCW endorsement.
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Honors all other states: AK, AZ, IA, ID, IN, KY, MI*, MO, NC, OK, SD, TN, UT is the only guaranteed answer right now.
*Resident permit only.
States don’t have rights. People do.
Interesting, thanks for the information.
Roy
and I just found out...add MS to that list effective July 1, 2012
States don’t have rights. People do.
I've been thinking about this issue (I know, that's dangerous....).
I wish that instead of the reaction I'm seeing of people saying "If NM is going to do that, I'll go somewhere else...", people would say- "OK, if you won't let me CC I'll open carry everywhere I can. Take that, NM!"
I would LOVE to see the unintended consequence of many out-of-state visitors coming here and open carrying everywhere. That would be fantastic.
Of course, this is probably wishful thinking. But one can dream...
Is Hubbard a "mini" RAHM EMANUEL? If so, watch out NM.
In the list of things that can get a state excluded...
1. Permits issued locally rather than by the state;
2. No fingerprint-based background check;
3. Permits issued to persons under 21 years of age;
4. Permits issued to resident aliens;
5. No classroom (static) training required;
6. No live-fire (dynamic) training required.
...only #1 is different from Ohio. We have our county Sheriff's take applications and issue the STATE Concealed Handgun License.
The information is put into a STATE maintained database (LEADS) with statewide access to all LEA's.
How and why should that affect reciprocity?
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What does a caring, sensitive person feel when they are forced to use a handgun to stop a threat?
Recoil.
I sure hope not - I unfortunately live in IL and we have absolutely nothing other than proposed bills to tax existing guns, tax ammo and all sorts of other crazy things.
Roy
In the list of things that can get a state excluded...
1. Permits issued locally rather than by the state;
2. No fingerprint-based background check;
3. Permits issued to persons under 21 years of age;
4. Permits issued to resident aliens;
5. No classroom (static) training required;
6. No live-fire (dynamic) training required.
Last edited by CDinNM; 05-04-2012 at 06:13 PM.
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