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    Virginia Beach Amphitheater

    Anyone know if they are City owned. We're going to a Beach Boys Concert in July.
    I can't find a rule page and need the weapons policy.

    I also need to find just how much camera I can get by the photo Nazi's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Anyone know if they are City owned. We're going to a Beach Boys Concert in July.
    I can't find a rule page and need the weapons policy.

    I also need to find just how much camera I can get by the photo Nazi's.
    I've never been there but found this:
    Verizon Wireless Virginia Beach Amphitheatre Website goes to Farm Bureau Live at Virginia Beach. I cant find who owns it.
    General Rules

    All items are subject to change per artist restrictions. NO bottles, coolers, or pets. NO weapons or recording devices are permitted. Blankets and cushions are allowed (restricted on some shows).
    Call venue for more info.

    LAWN CHAIR POLICY guests are welcome to bring personal lawn chairs into the
    amphitheater. To ensure clear sightlines for all of our guests, only low lawn chairs with a seatback no higher than 9 off the ground are permitted.

    FOOD POLICY FOR MOST SHOWS - the amphitheater will permit patrons to bring in most food items as long as they fit in a one gallon clear zip-loc style bag. For safety concerns patron will be required to show the bag to amphitheater staff upon entering facility. One factory sealed bottle of water is also permitted.

    CAMERA POLICY - Personal cameras are allowed in the venue subject to artist approval. Flash photography, video and removable lens cameras are not permitted without venue approval.

    Children Rules

    Children 2 and under free on lap.
    Family specials: some shows will be designated as a family special. This permits one child (12 yrs or under) free admission onto the festival lawn with each adult ticket holder. Call venue for list of family specials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Anyone know if they are City owned. We're going to a Beach Boys Concert in July.
    I can't find a rule page and need the weapons policy.

    I also need to find just how much camera I can get by the photo Nazi's.
    According to Wiki, its own by 'Live Nation Entertainment'.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farm_Bu...Virginia_Beach

    Address
    3550 Cellar Door Way
    Virginia Beach, VA 23456

    Type
    Outdoor amphitheatre

    Opened
    1996

    Owner
    Live Nation Entertainment

    Former name(s)
    Virginia Beach Amphitheater (1996, 2010-11)
    GTE Virginia Beach Amphitheater (1996-2006)
    Verizon Wireless Amphitheater at Virginia Beach (2006-2010)

    Seating type
    Reserved and lawn seating

    Capacity
    20,000[1]

    Website
    Farm Bureau Live at Virginia Beach

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blk97F150 View Post
    According to Wiki, its own by 'Live Nation Entertainment'.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farm_Bu...Virginia_Beach

    Address
    3550 Cellar Door Way
    Virginia Beach, VA 23456

    Type
    Outdoor amphitheatre

    Opened
    1996

    Owner
    Live Nation Entertainment

    Former name(s)
    Virginia Beach Amphitheater (1996, 2010-11)
    GTE Virginia Beach Amphitheater (1996-2006)
    Verizon Wireless Amphitheater at Virginia Beach (2006-2010)

    Seating type
    Reserved and lawn seating

    Capacity
    20,000[1]

    Website
    Farm Bureau Live at Virginia Beach
    Thanks guys...looks like I need some custom luggage!

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    Exclamation Absolute C***

    That this is "owned" by Live Nation when the CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH put up almost 2/3 of the cost in bonds to build the damnable thing.

    Standing by that "logic"... and this still should hold true I found the following which may be worth delving deeper into:

    "Virginia Beach paid for more than half of the amphitheater's construction costs and receives five percent of all sponsorships."

    http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlin...ySection=story

    If Virginia Beach still holds a financial interest in the property, then shouldn't they be prohibited by preemption from prohibiting lawfully-carried arms?

    Yes. Yes they should.
    The quiet war has begun, with silent weapons
    And the newest slavery is to keep the people poor, and stupid
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    Quote Originally Posted by wylde007 View Post
    That this is "owned" by Live Nation when the CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH put up almost 2/3 of the cost in bonds to build the damnable thing.

    Standing by that "logic"... and this still should hold true I found the following which may be worth delving deeper into:

    "Virginia Beach paid for more than half of the amphitheater's construction costs and receives five percent of all sponsorships."

    http://www.newsplex.com/home/headlin...ySection=story

    If Virginia Beach still holds a financial interest in the property, then shouldn't they be prohibited by preemption from prohibiting lawfully-carried arms?

    Yes. Yes they should.
    I think I can get away with taking the GH2,,,it doesn't look like a professional camera if I use a small lens.

    I'm going to look into the preemption side of it and if I can't carry a gun, I'll take my Taser in and leave the gun in the car.

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    FYI they usually pat down pockets and sometimes around your hips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpg9999 View Post
    FYI they usually pat down pockets and sometimes around your hips.
    Thanks!

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    Wanding

    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    Thanks!
    Peter, I've seen them have deputies posted at the ticket entrance wanding people on multiple occasions as well.

    Beautiful place to take in a rock show, but the $12 beer is highway robbery!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FretlessMayhem View Post
    Peter, I've seen them have deputies posted at the ticket entrance wanding people on multiple occasions as well.

    Beautiful place to take in a rock show, but the $12 beer is highway robbery!
    No problem, I'm not going to carry a gun where it's illegal. I'll just leave it in the car. The camera I'm taking will get by nearly any Deputy. They're generally too stupid to know the difference between 1080P and a Polaroid Snapshot.

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    IMO preemption applies

    The city owns the land, built the facility and has never sold it/transferred ownership. IMO - this is no different that the Richmond Coliseum, Hampton Coliseum, Norfolk Scope = preemption applies.

    Perhaps someone FOIA the city of Virginia Beach to see how they will answer the question of ownership.

    In its arrangement with Live Nation, which operates the amphitheater, the city gets 5 percent of all sponsorships. In 2009, the city received $53,000, Wawner said.
    http://hamptonroads.com/2010/03/virg...corporate-name

    http://hamptonroads.com/2011/02/va-beach-amphitheater-gets-new-name-farm-bureau-liveIn its arrangement with Live Nation, which operates the venue, the city gets 5 percent of all

    Virginia Beach Mayor Will Sessoms praised the Farm Bureau partnership and cited the amphitheater as a successful public-private partnership. The city owns the property and shares in the venue's profits.
    http://articles.dailypress.com/2011-...ticket-package

    The city of Virginia Beach owns the amphitheater. It is leased by concert promoters
    http://articles.dailypress.com/1996-...ating-disabled

    suing the private company that runs the city-owned venue, saying it is illegally monopolizing the live-music industry here.
    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-68466984.html
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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    The city owns the land, built the facility and has never sold it/transferred ownership. IMO - this is no different that the Richmond Coliseum, Hampton Coliseum, Norfolk Scope = preemption applies.
    I though it was funny when I went to see Megadeth at Hampton and the sign read (paraphrased) "No knives, outside food or drink, or PROFESSIONAL camera equipment allowed".

    Their sign acknowledged, by omission, that they could not prohibit lawfully-carried firearms.

    Handheld (point-and-shoot) cameras were everywhere, just no Nikons with howitzer lenses.
    The quiet war has begun, with silent weapons
    And the newest slavery is to keep the people poor, and stupid
    Novos ordo seclorum ~ Mustaine

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    Thanks Grape!
    That saved me a lot of time today and confirmed my suspicion that it was going to be another Richmond Coliseum.

    It's funny, if it is city owned they can't ban my gun but can ban my Tazer

    I'm going to take my hacked XXX. Does better video than some Red's and with the TE crop, I can double the focal length without losing any image quality...and it looks like a small Tourist DSLR.

    With a small 50mm Pentax A lens it almost takes video in pitch black

    Last edited by peter nap; 05-01-2012 at 08:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    --snip--
    It's funny, if it is city owned they can't ban my gun but can ban my Tazer
    That brings up an interesting point.

    We don't need just a change to CWP. What we need is complete state preemption of all weapons laws.

    This would/should include what (knives, tasers, batons et al) & where (K-12 schools, universities etc)
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    The city owns the land, built the facility and has never sold it/transferred ownership. IMO - this is no different that the Richmond Coliseum, Hampton Coliseum, Norfolk Scope = preemption applies.
    Not necessarily. It depends on the exact relationship between the city and the operators.

    If the city hired Live Nation to act as their agents in operating the facility, then you are correct. However, if Live Nation is leasing the property from the city, then Live Nation would not be covered by preemption, per the March 16, 2010 AG's opinion.

    To a certain extent, that makes sense. If the city were to own an apartment building and I were to lease one of the apartments, then I would be free to prohibit firearms within the property that I leased. However, the city couldn't hire someone to manage the property on their behalf and allow that person to prohibit firearms on the property.

    Which means that the real question is does Live Nation lease the amphitheatre, or are they merely contracted to operate it?
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    Alma 43:47 - "And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed...."
    Self defense isn't just a good idea, it's a commandment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grylnsmn View Post
    Not necessarily. It depends on the exact relationship between the city and the operators.

    If the city hired Live Nation to act as their agents in operating the facility, then you are correct. However, if Live Nation is leasing the property from the city, then Live Nation would not be covered by preemption, per the March 16, 2010 AG's opinion.

    To a certain extent, that makes sense. If the city were to own an apartment building and I were to lease one of the apartments, then I would be free to prohibit firearms within the property that I leased. However, the city couldn't hire someone to manage the property on their behalf and allow that person to prohibit firearms on the property.

    Which means that the real question is does Live Nation lease the amphitheatre, or are they merely contracted to operate it?
    Yep!

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    FOIA Sent Grapeshot!

    When I read the documents, we can figure out what the relationship is!

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    This is going to be interesting...


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    No FOIA's yet but I did get my concert wardrobe!
    West Coast Camo..

    Last edited by peter nap; 05-02-2012 at 06:47 PM.

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    I live in Va Beach in another life. I remember the land before it became a concert venue. It was owned by the city. I believe you will find the same type of arrangement that Richmond has with SMG.

    The land was originally part of Princess Anne County before it was absorbed by the City of Virginia Beach.
    Last edited by kenny; 05-02-2012 at 07:18 PM. Reason: add information

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    No FOIA's yet but I did get my concert wardrobe!
    West Coast Camo..

    Oh, I have to have one of those. Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIC869 View Post
    Oh, I have to have one of those. Seriously.
    Let me introduce you to my tailor:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o02_s00_i00

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter nap View Post
    One of these is going to end up in my closet. The wife's going to think I stepped off the deep end, but apparently they make it in a fitted woman's cut too. She may not know it, but she's gonna get one too... Those are too awesome to pass up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIC869 View Post
    One of these is going to end up in my closet. The wife's going to think I stepped off the deep end, but apparently they make it in a fitted woman's cut too. She may not know it, but she's gonna get one too... Those are too awesome to pass up.
    Man's shirt must be worn with shorts, black socks and sandals.

    Woman's version requires wide brim straw hat w/matching straw purse, wedge heels are optional.
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Man's shirt must be worn with shorts, black socks and sandals.

    Woman's version requires wide brim straw hat w/matching straw purse, wedge heels are optional.
    I'm not real sure that's what I wore in the early Beach Boy days Grape.
    Wait...looking through more old pictures, you are right!

    Last edited by peter nap; 05-04-2012 at 09:58 AM.

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